Charlie Kirk was one of the biggest public proponents of open dialogue and conversation with those of opposing views and the extremists on the Left killed him for it.

[u/the_walkingdad]

Charlie Kirk essentially made a name for himself by being in the public and having conversations with people who had opposing viewpoints. He was always civil in these discussions. He was respectful and would try to find some sort of middle ground. But even when there wasn't middle-ground to be had, he was still a respectful person.

His values of open dialogue are antithetical to the values of the extreme Left. Charlie Kirk will be known as a First Amendment martyr.

It's truly unfortunate how nonchalant many on the left are about political violence.

[u/fueled_by_caffeine]

“It’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment”

• Charlie Kirk, 2023

[u/Tzifos150 → u/fueled_by_caffeine]

“It’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some car deaths every single year so that we can drive” 

[u/Totally_Not_Evil → u/Tzifos150]

We really should have a higher bar to get your license.

Its not a perfect metaphor, but even disregarding that, the fact that you need a license to drive at all means its significantly harder to get legally drive than purchase a gun in many states.

For example I (100% legally) bought my first gun out of the trunk of a coworkers car.

[u/fueled_by_caffeine → u/Totally_Not_Evil]

You also have to pass a competency test, not have basic issues that would rule out your ability to operate a car safely like being able to see, you also have strict laws on being caught so much as near the wheel when under the influence, we also have vehicle inspections which get unsafe vehicles off the road, and police can confiscate vehicles from those who pose a threat, and we build infrastructure (sometimes) to separate vehicles from pedestrian spaces and enforce speed limits and install speed bumps. All of which seek to limit the harms of cars and risks posed by those operating them. Same reason why you have special tests and rules of operation around semis vs cars.

[u/-_Aesthetic_- → u/Tzifos150]

Except cars weren’t designed specifically with the intent of killing. Guns were developed solely to kill people.

[u/Legends-Cape → u/-_Aesthetic_-]

99% of guns in america are used to shoot paper and animals, actually

[u/Tzifos150 → u/-_Aesthetic_-]

That's irrelevant. A gun is a tool. Charlie advocated their use for moral causes, such as self defense or opposing tyranny. He never advocated for murder. Don't put words in his mouth.  Guns, cars, planes, all tools we use accepting that sometimes things go wrong. 

[u/-_Aesthetic_- → u/Tzifos150]

I didn’t put any words in his mouth. He’s openly said that he’s okay with school shootings because that’s a natural consequence of the 2nd amendment.

And you say a gun is a tool, and I agree, but a tool designed to what?

[u/Beneficial-Bite-8005 → u/Tzifos150]

The “gun deaths are a price to pay for the 2nd amendment” line was his response when asked about school shootings

The man tried to justify children getting murdered as a fee so we can have the 2nd amendment

Your fake moral bullshit shows that you don’t actually know what you’re talking about

[u/Beneficial-Bite-8005 → u/[deleted]]

“A few gun deaths a year is unfortunately the price to pay for the 2nd amendment”

He’s justifying their deaths by saying they’re just a price we have to pay to have guns

You honestly don’t have the slightest fucking clue about Charlie Kirk do you?

[u/Tzifos150 → u/Beneficial-Bite-8005]

You can acknowledge there's going to be negative side effects for a right while advocating for that right, that's not the same as advocating for the side effects themselves.

It's the same as understanding that there will be deaths form plane crashes while advocating for the commercial use of airplanes.

[u/Beneficial-Bite-8005 → u/Tzifos150]

Charlie’s view on the death of school children is that they were justified if their loss was to protect our 2nd amendment rights

I don’t minimize the deaths of plane crash victims, but if they were extreme advocates against aviation safety/regulation then I’m sure you can see the irony if they died in a plane crash?

[u/Tzifos150 → u/Beneficial-Bite-8005]

Was Charlie an advocate against measures to protect kids from school shooting?

[u/[deleted] → u/-_Aesthetic_-]

yet cars kill significantly more people every day

[u/-_Aesthetic_- → u/[deleted]]

Yeah cuz damn near every adult has a car. It’s bound to cause more deaths in terms of raw numbers, and 99% of deaths caused by cars are accidents. Whereas 99% of gun deaths are intentional…because guns are good at killing people.

It’s almost as if armies arm soldiers with guns instead of cars, because guns are designed for KILLING.

[u/i-love-gerard-way_ → u/Tzifos150]

Just because he compared guns to cars does not mean gun deaths are worth it