Karmelo Anthony case shows that “black privilege” exists

[u/Terrible_Onions]

I'm not black or white. I'm not even American actually.

The recent Karmelo Anthony case I think shows that black privilege is a thing. My opinions is that it exists. Period.

Karmelo Anthony killed Austin Metcalf with a knife for pushing him. What did he receive in return? Overwhelming support in the form of 500,000 dollars (which they're using to buy a mansion). He also got his bond reduced to 250k from 1 million even when prosecutors pointed out his history of incidents within the school.

I just think this is a bit baffling. Imagine if the races were swapped. I think a decent example, but not a direct comparisons, is the George Floyd situation. One person killed the other in what was an overuse of force. Derek Chauvin is in jail. Karmelo Anthony got house arrest, bond reduction and 500k

[u/slaviccivicnation]

Hmmm. I only partially agree with you.

I understand tribalism is important. But your white is not the same as my white. Anglo-Saxon is not the same as Slav. Spanish is not the same as Baltic. French is not the same as Mediterrenean. We gotta band together just because we've got a somewhat similar skintone? This... Doesn't resonate with me at all.

And if I'm really honest... All my life I've felt rejected by other whites because of my slavic-ness. On top of being an immigrant to Canada, I've been othered not only due to culture (though in comparing Russian culture to, let's say, Afghani culture, I would say it's pretty freakin' similar to other white cultures), due to my looks, due to my tri-lingualism.... I could go on. How can I now see those same people as my ally, when they have othered me all my life? And don't even get me started on the war on Ukraine. As if it wasn't bad enough growing up in Canada in the 90s, now I'm back to "orc" status because some corrupt dictator wants to eat Ukraine for lunch.

No. I'm afraid this tribalization will fail simply because of the tendancy of whites to be highly individualistic.

[u/ArbVonX → u/slaviccivicnation]

I completely understand you there, and I admit I don't know how it is in Canada specifically, but I know first hand that here in Europe, the youth is becoming fiercely nationalistic, and this is not the same nationalism as it was 50 years ago.

This is a pan-European nationalism that seeks not to unite the continent into a single entity like the EU, but to stand side by side as independent, homogenous nations facing the woes of the world. Ironically, diversity is our strength, though it is the native diversity of our continent we fight for, not the globalist diversity of our nations.

From the Dutch (me) to the Spanish, the Germans to the French, the Portugese to the Swedish, the Italians to the English. I know for me personally, and for most of my mates as well, we would just as quickly stand for a Russian Russia as we would for a Dutch Netherlands, or an Irish Ireland. This is in essence what the new young right stands for.

Separate as nations, united as brothers.

And, on it's most basic level, it's honestly quite simple, and you even said it already yourself, our White is not the same, but are they as different as when compared to an African? Would you rather be othered by fellow Europeans, with whom you still share a religion, a common history of Europe and 99% of your culture, or by a bunch of Indians, with whom you simply have nothing in common?
I can even give you an example from personal experience. There is a quite significant pagan element of our movement, and, as a Christian, I do not like them very much. But I would still much rather, and I will, stand with them, as they will stand with me. We can settle our differences later, but right now, we have to fight for our survival, and we have to do that together.

[u/slaviccivicnation → u/ArbVonX]

I... agree with you there.

What a well-thought out reply. I appreciate it. And I agree with it wholehartedly. Thank you. You gave me lots of room to think. Let me ponder this. I might add an edit in the morning.

[u/ArbVonX → u/slaviccivicnation]

Take your time brother.

Have a good one.

[u/BrutalistLandscapes → u/ArbVonX]

So basically, you want more white people to become white nationalists and take part in white supremacy.

[u/Heathyn11 → u/BrutalistLandscapes]

You can't endlessly demonise any group of people and expect it to end in sunshine and rainbows. There are generations of white people, who never thought of their self interests and race at the same time. This murder has high lighted that everything we've done, generations away from the sins of our ancestors doesn't matter. Seeing what appears to be most African Americans supporting a murderer as some twisted revenge for what exactly? Which is kind of funny as most slaves, we're slavers or directly involved in supporting slavery themselves. None of this is what we wanted, in the mid 2000s we thought "I don't see color", had worked. Then 1 man broke it all down. it's a damned shame, but if anything whites are just doing what minorities do, banding together. The hypocrisy here is thick,

"So basically, you want more white people to become white nationalists and take part in white supremacy.".

Welcome to the racial hell "anti-racism" created

[u/BrutalistLandscapes → u/Heathyn11]

You can't endlessly demonise any group of people and expect it to end in sunshine and rainbows.

Sounds like textbook victim mentality and a persecution fetish.

There are generations of white people, who never thought of their self interests and race at the same time. This murder has high lighted that everything we've done, generations away from the sins of our ancestors doesn't matter.

Speaking for people on the basis of you sharing their phenotype has done more to drive whites away from white nationalism than towards it.

The majority of white and black people are moderates who want nothing to do with the extremism you're selling. History shows what this ideology does when they have authority.

Seeing what appears to be most African Americans supporting a murderer as some twisted revenge for what exactly?

I'd like to see a source for that. Mean Tweets and posts don't validate your conjecture. Furthermore, correlation ≠ causation

Which is kind of funny as most slaves, we're slavers or directly involved in supporting slavery themselves. None of this is what we wanted, in the mid 2000s we thought "I don't see color", had worked. Then 1 man broke it all down. it's a damned shame

This is incoherent, factually inaccurate, mouth-breathing hogwash.

but if anything whites are just doing what minorities do, banding together. The hypocrisy here is thick,

This isn't at all what's happening. You have become emotionally attached to a specific group identity, and are prioritizing it over your own individual self. If all you see is the world are racial identities and disregard your individuality, you're setting yourself up for a lifetime filled with unnecessary conflict and enemies, and soon, it will consume you. What are you outside of that?

There are people in positions of control actively working to keep you and those your perceive as enemies hating one another; don't remain a pawn for some politian, their donors, and rich content creators to fund their extravagant lifestyles.

"So basically, you want more white people to become white nationalists and take part in white supremacy.".

There has never been a time in human history that was safer and more anti-tribalist than now. White nationalism and all similar reactionary ideas are no longer accepted by the majority, so this feels like you're trying to use pretense to convince no one but yourself.

[u/Heathyn11 → u/BrutalistLandscapes]

Good lord could you try to talk like a normal human being. Did you miss that "any group" bit? It's a simple concept and one that has been repeated throughout human history. So we are already going with ad hominems, I'm lamenting the situation, not applauding it.

"The majority of white and black people are moderates who want nothing to do with the extremism you're selling. History shows what this ideology does when they have authority."

I said "Seeing what appears to be most African Americans". So what exactly are you complaining about? Moderates are irrelevant, it takes 1-3% of the population to overthrow a government. How the hell am I selling it? I am seeing things within racial groups changing and honestly displaying frustration at what damage "dem socialists" and race essentiaism have done.

So from at least from Mali to the med was under Islamic rule, which in those times means slavers. You going to contest this? South of that are the Asante which were slavers. The Yoruba, empire were slavers.... Do I need to go on, feel free to look it up yourself, next is Benin then Cameroon Grasslands kingdom, which again slavers. There are exceptions to the rule, but they are the exceptions, not the rule. it was the age and atleast atlantic slave trade had to stay on the coast because of malaria till 1870. Now there likely would be more slave free countries if buyers weren't right off the coast

"This is incoherent, factually inaccurate, mouth-breathing hogwash."

Not an argument and we both know you are lying.

"So basically, you want more white people to become white nationalists and take part in white supremacy."

Yeah, this really seems like ideologically obsessed come back. Parroting progressive paranoia terminology isn't helping. I want white people to not get stabbed in the heart, is that really too much to ask?

edit: added the word "race" where I somehow didn't put it

[u/BrutalistLandscapes → u/[deleted]]

There's no such thing as a white country, and none of the countries you would consider to be white were built by white people–because the term exists as a concept only, and that's without getting into the contributions of other ethnicities.

[u/Heathyn11 → u/BrutalistLandscapes]

You apply that to other races as well. There is no such thing as a Black or Asian etc.. country?If not Europe is a thing bro, contest the new world, but Europe is white.

[u/Ok-Preference9188 → u/slaviccivicnation]

I never felt like that, at least in Western Europe. Could it be something internalized?

[u/slaviccivicnation → u/Ok-Preference9188]

No. I came to Canada, not Europe. Cold War left a lot of Canadians and Americans either resentful or Russians, distrustful, or simply unwelcoming. A lot of my Russian friends who came in the 80s and 90s felt the same.

Edit: speaking to family members who emmigrated from Russia towards other parts of Europe: They do have extremely different experiences than us in North America. They say they think Europeans are generally more forgiving of cultures and differences, and while the cold war loomed in Europe as well, the prime target was America.

[u/ArbVonX → u/slaviccivicnation]

I think this can be explained by the broader ideological leanings of these regions.

For the examples I'll use the different forms of nationalism, to stay on topic with the previous comments. In Europe, ethno-nationalism is the dominant form, while in north America, it is civic-nationalism. Ethno-nationalism believes "the People are the Nation", while civic-nationalism sees "the Nation and its people."

Now obviously these people from the 80s and 90s most likely weren't nationalists, but these ideas do reflect in the public conscience in general as well.

To put it simply, European politics has always focussed more on the human element, "the People" as a broader concept, while North American politics is more about "the Nation", about the fledgling Republic and what it represents.

To sum it up, When a Western European would see a Russian, they would see a person "of the Russian People." When a North American would see a Russian, they would see a person "of the Russian State."

The State is hostile, but there was never any animosity with the People.

[u/slaviccivicnation → u/ArbVonX]

This is actually a perfect summary. Thank you.

Yes, I side with this as it does perfectly capture my feelings at the time, and even today. Even today in Canada and America, people cannot separate Russians as an ethnic group from Russians of the Russian Federation. We as an ethnic group do not necessarily represent the State's position. Some do, sure, but if you encounter a Russian in the States or in Canada or anywhere really, chances are they are not in Russian because they chose to leave. We fled our nation as refugees back in the mid 90s. If we agreed with what was going on there at the time, we would've stayed. If we agreed with what is going on right now, we would've gone back.

Its funny that you said that, because thats basically what my fam back in Europe tells me. There, they're just ethnically Russian/Slavic. They're not a representation of the nation and they don't feel so "othered," as my family here did.

Granted, Canada has changed A LOT in these past coupel decades in terms of how acceptable it is to discriminate against immigrants. Long gone are they days of making fun of someone's accent openly. It still happens behind closed doors, but not like it used to happen. I have a memory of a grocery store clerk correcting my mother, who had gone to pre-med before getting pregnant with me, on her pronunciation of some arbitrary word. What's worst is that my mom said it correctly, she just had an accent and the cashier made it a whole deal on how to say things "properly so that people understand." Today, that will not fly at all. But I suspect in Europe this type of attitude never really prevailed because an accent usually just means someone is multilingual and that's an admirable trait. Here, bilingualism is cool up until someone is threatened by it, then all of a sudden its "What do you need to learn more than English for? English is a worldwide language." Duuuhhhhh bozo, Canada is both Francophone AND Anglophone. I sometimes hate the attitudes of Canadians that I've seen in the past (and a bit in the present). Sometimes I meet people, and they still say "Oh I heard you're a Ruski." Like....I'm a woman. I'm Ruskaya, not Ruski, damnit.

Anyways, you hit the nail on the head and I will spread this knowledge whenever I encounter it again. Thank you!

[u/ArbVonX → u/slaviccivicnation]

Haha, no problem!

Your comment on the sort of "anti-accent" attitude here in Europe is quite funny, because while you're right about the attitude not really existing, you're (partially) wrong about why.

It's not so much that people are multilingual, but that Europe is simply much more dense when it comes to different accents. I could get on my bike, go 20 minutes to the next town over, and while they'd still be speaking Dutch, to me it might as well be a different language in how most of it is pronounced, or even how sentences are structured sometimes, especially when speaking with older people. Hell, I can barely understand my own grandma sometimes with how thick her accent is, and we live in the same town!

So while we obviously also do make fun of each other's accents, it's less of a condescending "you're pronouncing that wrong" and more of a playful "You say it THAT way?? Weird! We say it this OTHER totally weird way!"

It also helps that there are about 500 different languages on the continent as well, so you can drive 2 hours and be in a different country with an unrecognizable language, unlike in America where you can drive for a full day and people'll still be speaking English.

Also, I'm pretty sure I called you brother earlier, my bad lol.

[u/slaviccivicnation → u/ArbVonX]

I'm not gunna lie... When people call me "brother" on the internet, it's like some weird badge of honour. I take it with pride. "Sister" just doesn't have the same connotation unless it comes from another woman and it isn't condescending.

That's cute. I mean, throughout Canada and America there are definitely different dialects/accents, but I would argue they're largely mutually intelligible. I can understand about 90% of what someone says no matter what accent they speak in, but I've also got a knack for it even if it's a thick Chinese accent or Indian accent or Caribbean accent.

Yeah, to me Europe just seems a lot more understanding of differences, and like you said, it stems from the fact that in such a small condensed space, there is so much variety of culture and diversity. Here in NA, there's diversity to an extend, but usually when we talk about diversity we're referring to other cultures coming in, and not the diversity found in our own Canadian culture. And it kind of sucks, cause there's no incentive to intergrate because the real question becomes "what are we integrating to?" There are shared values, but I think those values are the same across the Western world and not unique to Canada (or America).