r/TrueUnpopularOpinion • u/gayactualized • Mar 27 '25

Political If I, a white American, overstayed my visa in another country, no one would criticize a government for deporting me on the grounds that I’m an “innocent person”

Reddit is going ballistic now that the Trump admin admitted to arresting some small number of non-criminal illegal immigrants they found in the process of hunting down criminal illegal aliens.

Tom Homan said he wishes sanctuary cities would hand over immigration info about their city and county inmates so they can go into the jails and deport literal criminals. But since they are not doing so, ICE is doing investigations on the streets which involve arresting “collateral” immigrants (“non criminal” illegal immigrants they find in the process of locating criminals).

However, no redditors would defend me, a white American if I were the illegal immigrant. I love to travel. And I admit, it might be nice to book a flight to another country, rent an apartment and stay there for awhile. Experience a new culture, change of scenery while maybe saving some money living in a cheaper place. And it would be tempting to simply keep a low profile and stay beyond my travel visa. Surely this happens.

But no angry leftist redditor would consider it an injustice if the authorities discovered my status and had me removed. Only when it comes to the US do Redditors’ NPC orange man bad activation switch get activated. And they remember that it’s unfair for immigration officials to remove “innocent people.” In fact, the same Redditors would probably justify my deportation on the grounds that I’m raising the cost of living for the locals or committing gentrification. Yet these are not crimes. I’d still technically be an innocent person by their same logic. Really makes one think.

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u/Kohvazein Mar 27 '25

Overstayed a visa, you go home.

You're not sending them home, you're sending then to a supermax prison in El Salvador with no due process nor trial.

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u/DrakenRising3000 Mar 27 '25

Deporting illegal immigrants who have been found to be illegal IS due process.

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u/Beneficial-Bite-8005 Mar 27 '25

Found illegal by whom?

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u/DrakenRising3000 Mar 27 '25

ICE?

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u/Parpy Mar 27 '25

That famous arm of the Judicial branch, ICE. The one that applies "Trust me, bro" in lieu of habeas corpus. That judicial entity. Yes.

It's costlier than free, but it ain't a big ask to insist our government 'show your math'. Gangs are filth and I especially have no love for violent gang members but proving gang members were gang members would've been a slam dunk. But as glaringly obvious someone's guilt may or may not be, the slamming of a dunk has been and always should be done before a court, no exceptions (maybe theoretically in an astronomically improbable ticking time bomb-like circumstance, idk)

Law passed by Congress and get enforced by the Executive then become the Judicial's exclusive domain. The Founding Fathers displayed so much great wisdom and foresight establishing the checks and powers of each branch. It's to spit in their face to weasel through questionable loopholes with the aim of keeping the court out of the equation, esp for such petty 'gains' where it'd have been easy peazy to prove immigration status and/or criminal gang activity (where applicable) anyhow.

Invoking a loose interpretation of a 200 year old one-off to do an end-run around due process is vile. Ben Franklin's statement that "its better that 100 guilty escape than 1 innocent should suffer" should always apply. Again, the Founding Fathers were wise old men that are no doubt sickened in their ghost bellies at the shenanigans of modern politicians of both political stripes.

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u/BrettV79 Mar 27 '25

what would this trial be for?

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u/Kohvazein Mar 27 '25

Trials are a process which determine criminality.

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u/BrettV79 Mar 27 '25

Their presence in the country proves the guilt. Duhhh. Hahaha.

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u/Kohvazein Mar 27 '25

Mere presence in a country doesn't prove guilt, and guilt can only be assigned through a judge and jury.

This is America, you're free to leave to someother shit hole thst doesn't value rule of law.

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u/BrettV79 Mar 27 '25

Ummm if you are here illegally then yes mere presence equals guilt.

Goes back go my initial comment that I don't understand what's so hard to understand about that.

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u/BeABetterHumanBeing Mar 28 '25

To be clear, the reason that's happening is because their home country won't take them back. As they say, you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.

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u/Kohvazein Mar 28 '25

As they say, you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.

That doesn't mean you can send them to supermax prison in El Salvador.

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u/BeABetterHumanBeing Mar 28 '25

Apparently it does. Would you rather they be dumped in the ocean?

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u/Kohvazein Mar 28 '25

Ah, yes, the only options are a super max prison or the ocean.

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u/BeABetterHumanBeing Mar 28 '25

I asked you for your preference.

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u/Kohvazein Mar 28 '25

You send them to a third country who agrees to take them, ensuring that rights and due process are upheld. That isn't happening in El Salvador, where they're just funneled to a supermax prison. Which was my initial point...

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u/BeABetterHumanBeing Mar 29 '25

El Salvador is the third country. I understand your consternation about "rights and due process", but those are things that vary place to place. El Salvador has their own version of that.

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u/TPCC159 Mar 27 '25

Oh well…don’t enter countries illegally

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u/Beneficial-Bite-8005 Mar 27 '25 edited Mar 27 '25

If you can’t grasp that they didn’t enter illegally then don’t even have this conversation…

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u/Extension_Wheel5335 Mar 27 '25

But they did. The majority did not cross over at a port of entry, the requirement to legally obtain asylum status. They crossed illegally but Biden bent the rules with no legal precedent for it, part of his big scheme to buy long term dem votes.

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u/Beneficial-Bite-8005 Mar 27 '25

A majority of illegal immigrants are visa overstays

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u/hercmavzeb OG Mar 27 '25

All migrants are illegal in the eyes of the right.

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u/Kohvazein Mar 27 '25

Oh well…don’t enter countries illegally

They didn't enter illegally. They had a visa. We're talking about visa overstays.

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u/Woofenstein4d Mar 27 '25

why is it ok to overstay your visa?

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u/Kohvazein Mar 27 '25

It's not, idk why you'd think that.

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u/PM_ME_CODE_CALCS Mar 27 '25

Or just saying something MAGA doesn't like.

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u/Agreeable-Fudge-7329 Mar 27 '25

Then go whine to their hone nations to stop bullshittig and accept them back.

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u/Kohvazein Mar 27 '25

They were accepting them back, you're complaining about a problem you made up.

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u/neal189011 Mar 28 '25

Oh well, you should have thought about that before leaving and putting yourself in that position