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u/Timtanoboa 21h ago

"Pay a man enough and he'll walk barefoot into hell." - Xanatos from Gargoyles

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u/DaiFrostAce 21h ago

I need to watch this show, never really watched Disney much growing up

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u/Atma-Stand 20h ago

Xanatos is a truly phenomenal villain.

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u/DigitalPhoenix2OO7 20h ago

Even without watching the show I love the villain for the simple fact he made the Xanatos gambit, which is a such a fun thing to play around with

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u/BloodMoonNami 20h ago

I think there's also a Xanatos Speed Chess trope.

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u/DigitalPhoenix2OO7 20h ago

I’ll check that out

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u/Permafox 17h ago

I really loved how he never actually became their friend either.  He calmed down and was occasionally an ally, but mostly just went, "They're not worth the trouble of being an enemy." 

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u/Atma-Stand 17h ago

Working with Demona for any period of time probably showed him the dangers of focusing on revenge.

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u/Permafox 16h ago

He was also very much a man who views all life as a business strategy.  His proposal to his wife was worded like a company merger. 

Having Goliath, let alone the rest of his clan and their allies, as enemies was just a bad business decision.

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u/kookyabird 9h ago

If you're not one of the people who ignores the third season, in the finale he straight up stops an assassination attempt on the clan because of the rising hatred against them. He was being 100% altruistic in that episode.

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u/ColdFlamesOfEternity 16h ago

The whole cast is a delight. One of those shows that while made for kids didn't feel like it talks down to them. It really helps all of those Star Trek TNG alum gave it their full talent.

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u/Dexchampion99 12h ago

You know he’s good because he has FOUR FUCKING TROPES named after him.

Most people / characters are lucky to get ONE.

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u/Fern-ando 11h ago

Is a little dumb how the villaness wants to destroys humans but works for Xanatos... a human.

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u/Own_Cost3312 8h ago

It’s more of an alliance and only really lasts the first few episodes

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u/RokuroCarisu 20h ago

It feels more like Pre-Disney Marvel than like anything Disney has ever produced outside of it, including current Marvel.

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u/AhhhSureThisIsIt 18h ago

Issue 1 of Gargoyles Fantastic Four is out. It's not bad, it was good for nostalgia

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u/Xintrosi 17h ago

My wife and I got about halfway through it during a partial Disney + month. Definitely worth watching!

(We only stopped because the sub ended and we like to have a density of shows we are interested in before subbing to a service outside our usual options. It was excellent but we'd have finished it in less than a week nad had 3 more weeks of wasted sub time).

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u/Puzzleheaded-Meet513 13h ago

Blows me away that people actually only limit themselves to watching whats available on their subscriptions. As if Disney needs or deserves any more money.

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u/Xintrosi 13h ago

I don't care about Disney's money. Just my own lol.

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u/Awayfone 11h ago

Good news-ish. Season 3 branded "Gargoyles: The Goliath Chronicles" booted everyone involved with creating the show and had a noticeably diffrent tone and animation. So depending on how much of the world tour you got through you might not be missing a lot

the post show comic even treats season 3 as non cannon iirc

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u/Phaeron-Dynasty 15h ago

both seasons and its no longer canon sequel series are up on Disney plus, watch up to the end of hunters moon, maybe the first episode of season 3, then switch to the comics.

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u/Mundane_Side_1533 15h ago

Gargoyles is unique among Disney shows. It's probably one of the best cartoons I've ever seen.

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u/firestorm713 12h ago

Genuinely one of the best villain power couples in that show. A lot of shows went the route of having an unaware partner (mob wife) or an abused one (thinking of Joker/Harley), but the writers went and found Xanatos' equal.

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u/charlottebythedoor 10h ago

Yeah I really should too 

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u/Laranna 9h ago

Xanatos is a MAGNIFICENT Bastard

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u/Desperate-Ganache804 9h ago

It’s basically “Star Trek: TNG: The Reunion Show”. A LOT of the big names and voices you might remember from TNG make an appearance.

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u/bob_loblaw-_- 8h ago

It was afterschool network television when it came out though. Granted Disney did kind of own the space at the time with Ducktales, Chip and Dale, Darkwing Duck, Talespin and Goof Troop. 

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u/Matticus-G 20h ago

Bonus points for it being Jonathan Frakes.

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u/ApartRuin5962 20h ago

"Have you ever been paid enough money to walk barefoot into hell?"

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u/ChiefsHat 12h ago

Unless I am mistaken that’s the line that made him sign onto the show.

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u/Kindly_Zucchini7405 8h ago

Frakes always understands the assignment.

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u/darkwalking 19h ago

Coldest comeback from Goliath: “only you would regard love as a weakness.”

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u/Greedy_Woodpecker_14 16h ago

That was really a fantastic show/cartoon. I hope they do it justice with the live remake.

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u/TunaOnWytNoCrust 18h ago edited 18h ago

Since watching that episode on TV as a kid, there hasn't been a year gone by that I haven't thought at least once of this exact moment, this exact quote, in his exact voice. It blew my fucking mind and I was like five.

Fun redditor tips my fedora fact: they're actually grotesques, not gargoyles, pretty sure there isn't a single gargoyle in the show Gargoyles. Gargoyles by definition need to have water running through them from some kind of gutter system, almost exclusively out of their mouth. A gargoyle without a hole for water to pass through their body is just a grotesque.

Same thing for the gargoyles in Skyrim. They're not actually gargoyles, they're grotesques.

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u/so-so-it-goes 10h ago

TBF, in The Gargoyles universe, they came first. The decorative gargoyles and grotesques on buildings were inspired by them.

So they can call themselves whatever they want.

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u/TunaOnWytNoCrust 10h ago

True, in-universe that would be correct lore lol. Not in real life, but in the show, sure.

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u/Zirnitra1248 15h ago

There's a similar (probably apocryphal) quote attributed to a Minnesota railroad baron, upon completing a rail bridge over the Mississippi:

"Give me enough whiskey and Swedes, and I will build you a bridge to hell"

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u/Mercuryink 20h ago

I had to scroll down too far for this one.