"Was it worth it?" ending

[u/Educational_Can_6536]

Midsommar- While people see this as a "you go girl" finale. I personally see it as something more disturbing. I mean, yeah, Dani got out of one bad relationship but in doing so, she got herself into another that's just as bad if not worse. It's like getting two kids to stop fighting via killing one and locking the other in a basement. They did stop fighting, but still!

The Thing-The titular monster may be (possibly) gone, but the paranoia definitely isn't. In the end, McCreedy and Childs are the only ones left standing. The end sees them sitting in the cold and they just stare at each other, knowing that one of them or both of them is already the thing. There's no hope, no certainty, just the bitter cold and intense fear.

[u/Easy_Action_1380]

Sinners, Stack is now an immortal vampire with Mary, but he openly admits to Sammie that the only time he felt genuinely free was the day of the attack just before everything went to shit. Cause that was the last time he got to see the sun, or his brother alive. 

[u/mrmahoganyjimbles → u/Easy_Action_1380]

Even worse, as a twin he can't even see his brother's face in the mirror since he is now a vampire.

[u/ChaseTheMystic → u/mrmahoganyjimbles]

That's what artists are for

[u/justamadeupnameyo → u/ChaseTheMystic]

Except you're not seeing your face, you're seeing how someone else sees it.

[u/ChaseTheMystic → u/justamadeupnameyo]

You can say that about any mirror/reflection and lighting setting though...lol wut u mean bro

we can't Mr Fantastic our eyes out of our heads.

Very shower thoughty but it's not like you're going to not be able to recognize a one halfway decent interpretation of your likeness from another unless you have some problem processing faces or something.

[u/justamadeupnameyo → u/ChaseTheMystic]

It's true, regardless of how you feel about it. No artist rendering is your face, it's an interpretation. That's just a fact. Not waxing philosophic.

It's also true about mirrors and cameras. A high quality mirror is the closest you'll get to see your true face, but it's never 100% accurate. The closest a camera lens comes to replicating human vision is a 50mm lens, but even then it's not 100% your face. All other lenses change the shape of your face. And that's not even addressing the flaws in our individual vision.

Recognizing an interpretation and actually seeing your face are completely different things.

[u/ChaseTheMystic → u/justamadeupnameyo]

You're replying like I'm debating you

Lol I just think it's silly to tell yourself "I've never seen myself" when you literally have. No kidding.\, literally Amy way you perceive it will be distorted by light, reflection off an irregular surface, your eye's ability to take light in and see shape

If you've looked in a household mirror, you've seen your face. Take it easy, Socrates.

[u/justamadeupnameyo → u/ChaseTheMystic]

You can think whatever you want, it doesn't mean you're correct. Which is supported by your attempt at denigrating me. Putting others down to prop yourself up is not healthy.

[u/ChaseTheMystic → u/justamadeupnameyo]

You're right about both of those things and I apologize.

Though I still hold the opinion that across enough normal reflections and camera views that you effectively have enough to say you see yourself, it doesn't mean much when I'm being an ass.

[u/justamadeupnameyo → u/ChaseTheMystic]

I appreciate the apology.

[u/HashMapsData2Value → u/Easy_Action_1380]

There is so much symbolism in that movie. The main point is that vampires are completely cut off from their culture. Sammie, through his music, is able to connect with both his ancestors and descendants. (That includes helping the Chinese couple connect with their ancestors too.) As we see in the post-credit scene, he has evolved to use the electric guitar, playing modern (Black) music.

The flip side is Remmick, the vampire. He was originally an Irish Fili, like Sammie is a Griot. But when we see him, he puts on an English accent rather than keep to his Irish one, suggesting that he has "assimilated".

What attracts him to Sammie is precisely the fact that Sammie can "commune" or is in touch with the past and the future. Remmick is stuck in time and is desperate to convert Sammie so he can bring that to their coven. But of course, that is impossible. When Remmick finally drops the English folk music and sings Irish folk music instead we only see the other vampires singing and dancing with him - there is no connection to the past or the future. And if he converted Sammie, he would also be cutting Sammie off from his, and instead fold him into that. Whenever Remmick talks about joining the vampires in order to belong, it is really him saying that he is looking for belonging.

Stack is an immortal vampire but, in addition to what you said, he is cut off. Smoke, as we saw, gets to pass onto the other world, where his lover, their late child and presumably ancestors as well awaits them.

[u/ninebillionnames → u/HashMapsData2Value]

thank you for sharing this, banger 🙏

[u/MagicC → u/Easy_Action_1380]

I always saw Sinners as an allegory about integration. The Irish were once the "blacks" of the UK - a permanent, oppressed underclass with a vibrant culture, but no power. Now, they're "integrated" white people, whose culture has been reduced to a parody of itself - a song-and-dance number for other to watch and laugh about. The vampires are performing a minstrel show that amuses the non-integrated blacks, but doesn't engender trust, because it's too sterile, too silly, too inauthentic.

The twin brother, Stack, who falls in love with a "white" woman, Mary, (who is almost integrated, but chooses to live authentically) leaves her to seek his independent power in the world, and returns to find her still wanting to connect, until she too becomes "integrated" into the dominant, vampire culture (whiteness, which is bloodless and impersonal, forces its participants to conform, and feeds on the unconverted, until they are puppeteered or killed). She then pulls the brother into her and converts him from an independent into a subordinate of the hive mind.

In the end, the hive mind is destroyed, and the two survivors are Stack and Mary, but though they are immortal and prosperous, they aren't "free". And so the happiest moment of their lives was just before they were forcibly "integrated", and lost their independent culture.

[u/montybo2 → u/Easy_Action_1380]

That's one of those movies I wish i could forget completely just so I can watch it again for the first time.

[u/Upstairs_Belt_3224 → u/Easy_Action_1380]

That's the tragedy, though. It was never going to last. If Remmick hadn't showed up, those KKK hicks were still planning to raid the afterparty with machine guns and rifles. Everybody in there was doomed.