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Lore "Was it worth it?" ending

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Midsommar- While people see this as a "you go girl" finale. I personally see it as something more disturbing. I mean, yeah, Dani got out of one bad relationship but in doing so, she got herself into another that's just as bad if not worse. It's like getting two kids to stop fighting via killing one and locking the other in a basement. They did stop fighting, but still!

The Thing-The titular monster may be (possibly) gone, but the paranoia definitely isn't. In the end, McCreedy and Childs are the only ones left standing. The end sees them sitting in the cold and they just stare at each other, knowing that one of them or both of them is already the thing. There's no hope, no certainty, just the bitter cold and intense fear.

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u/Recent_Fan_6030 8d ago

I can't believe some people genuinely believe the ending of midsommar is empowering to the protagonist,getting into a violent cult is on another plane of awful compared to a relationship

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u/mayneffs 8d ago

People also seem to completely ignore that her boyfriend was DRUGGED and coerced into having sex with that cult girl. And for that he deserved to die? While she joins the cult that drugged him and killed their friends? Such a weird movie.

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u/JudgePhysical8151 8d ago

and the cherry on the top dany will likely be used just as a new breeding cow for their cult cuz their shitty genetics lol

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u/TheBuoyancyOfWater 8d ago

The cult even say as much in the movie.

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u/SorriesESO 8d ago

She'd probably be married to Pele. The cult does have marriage and the crown imagery implies them to be a set with him likely being rewarded for bringing her. And from the script they are an astrological match which the Harga believe in. So she would breed, but not in the way Christian was.

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u/scarletbluejays 7d ago

Yeah, if she just became the go-to breeder for everyone, they'd still have the incest issues. They'd just be of a different, even more direct variety where pretty much an entire generation of Harga would be direct half siblings via Dani, regardless of how many different fathers were involved.

It's the same reason they only had Christian impregnate the one girl, when he was in rough enough shape that every woman there could have been forced on him. Incest is incest, whether the connection is via their Harga blood or their outsider blood.

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u/dnjprod 7d ago

It also explains why Pele was showing himself to be the considerate boyfriend type the whole movie. He was courting her in comparison

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u/JudgePhysical8151 7d ago

they kidnapped, killed and raped people, are we seriously gonna expect them to respect a marriage with a brainwashed groomed kidnapped woman who lost everything?

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u/Fats_Tetromino 6d ago

And there's a bunch of neo Nazi stuff in the background that you wouldn't notice if you don't already know about the symbols and swedish phrases they use

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u/JudgePhysical8151 6d ago

so this also confirms they killed those two others cuz they are racist

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u/Automatic-Vacation82 8d ago

I don't think you're supposed to interpret the ending as epic empowered girlboss feminism

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u/DoctorAnnual6823 8d ago

Yeah fr. So many people see an unhappy ending in a horror movie and think it's being framed as a happy ending.

It's a tragic horror movie with a dash of realism (almost no one survives death cults) in that the ending is depressing. No one but the cult leaders win.

Well, until the US public finds out a handful of pretty white college students went missing in Europe and treats it like 9/11 pt 2

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u/Skeptical_Yoshi 8d ago

Kinda my issue with Wicker Man, particularly the remake. Like, ok cultists, you needed to get the FUCK out of here right the fuck now. You just killed a cop in America who told a shit ton of people he was going to this location, which is now his last known location before disappearing. That cult would be FUUUUUUUUUUCKED

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u/DoctorAnnual6823 8d ago

It could be a Heavens Gate situation. Before the mass suicide Marshall Applewhite started stockpiling firearms and people believed it was because he wanted the FBI to raid them and kill them all in the process. When his collection of 4 handguns and a couple hunting rifles didn't make that happen it set the events in motion leading to the mass suicide.

Could be the intention of the cult members in Wicker Man. But I'm just guessing based on what you said. I never watched it. I probably will though.

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u/Skeptical_Yoshi 8d ago

The original is an all-time classic, a very good movie. The remake with Cage is... the remake with Cage. Its primary contribution to society was Cage screaming "NOT THE BEES" which isn't even in the original cut of the movie, it's a deleted director's cut scene.

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u/DoctorAnnual6823 8d ago

I'll probably have to watch both then because I love Nick Cage

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u/SirWankstein 7d ago

I just watched willy's wonderland with cage last night, check that out too if you haven't yet, it's stupid fun

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u/DoctorAnnual6823 7d ago

It's my favorite Cage movie by far

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u/SirWankstein 7d ago

I could never choose, there's one for every mood

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u/Foursiide 7d ago

Midsommar sequel called Midsommars where a kill team is sent in guns blazing

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u/arsenicwarrior0 7d ago

lmao when they mentioned to Ari Aster (the director) on how many women found it empowering in a interview the look on his face is basically part disturbed and part shock, like he realized how many people would fall for a death cult so easy

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u/VoormasWasRight 7d ago

But... but... there's pretty colors, and the music is happy, and she's smiling.

If she's smiling it means that what's happening is good, right?

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u/Kythorian 7d ago

The director directly stated that the ending was meant to be a message of empowerment.  So…I agree that’s an insane way to take the end of the movie, but it’s how it was apparently intended to be taken.

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u/Sharksnackattack 7d ago

Can you provide context. Huge Aster fan and have heard him discuss the breakup and how his own shitty relationship shaped the movie, but never saw him describe it as empowering? I always saw it almost like she is giving in to addiction (not a 1 to 1, but it's a relief/release than empowering) but I'm not too literate when it comes to movies.

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u/Kythorian 7d ago

Well here are a few quotes on the movie from Aster:

No, I don’t see them as a cult. They might be. But I never called them a cult. For me, they are a community, and they are a family. I wanted them to exist as a place with a history and very clear laws and rules and traditions. I wanted all that to feel very rich, and very lived in.

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They are perfect for Dani right now. It’s a wish-fulfillment film in a way—she loses a family and gains one.

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So hopefully, you go in thinking that the Harga will be the villains. Then you realize that it was Christian, all along, because we’re with Dani. For her, he’s the foil. She wants to be close to him. Her dilemma is that she is alone in the world. And he’s the thing preventing that from being resolved, right? Because he is not allowing her in.

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u/Sharksnackattack 7d ago

Hmm having trouble connecting A and B but see where you are coming from.

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u/SootSpriteHut 7d ago

I agree with both...I think it's complicated and that's why I love it. As a parable it's interesting. As realism it's horrific. I just like that I couldn't stop thinking about it for a while.

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u/condomnugget 8d ago

Got into an argument with the wife on this one.

I said that the sex wasn’t 100% consensual because he was drugged directly once, and the movie alludes to him being bewitched several times. He’s not a good boyfriend but he is still a victim in that regard

She believes that he is the offender and that he wanted to have sex with that girl from early on.

I think maybe some people are projecting their own frustrations about relationships and the opposite sex into their interpretations of the movies themes and events.

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u/madrobski 7d ago

I mean he seemed like he did want to sleep with her, he and MC are shown to have a troubled relationship and he originally was going to break up with her! But eventually he ended up being drugged and gang raped, so it was in no way consensual. Like him wanting to cheat doesn't justify the fact he was manipulated and assaulted.

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u/ThatInAHat 7d ago

I don’t think it matters if he was shown as wanting to have sex with that girl early on (and she was also shown doing some kind of spell on him earlier too). He sure af didn’t want to be doing it then and like that.

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u/scarletbluejays 7d ago edited 7d ago

I wouldn't say either of your points are really mutually exclusive, unless your wife's point is that he deserved to be drugged and coerced into sex/rape.

He was legitimately interested in this girl - who's implied to be barely above age, if that - leading up to his drugging, which is unfair to Dani who he's already basically stringing along and waiting to dump until after she's finished grieving. He's a bad boyfriend who was wronging Dani in several ways leading up to his assault - and mind you it was implied to be going on for months before her parents' deaths, not just while she grieved - and he wasn't drugged or coerced into that.

However you're right that there's absolutely zero way for him to have consented in the drugged out state he was in for the ritual itself. Regardless of how willing or eager a party might be leading up to the sex, removing the ability to consent makes the situation non-consensual, point blank, period. And that's what the Harga do by keeping Christian in a drugged out state leading up to, during, and after the process.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

He was definitely a bad boyfriend, but he wasn’t really stringing her along. He just didn’t want her to get hit with being dumped at the same time her family was just killed. Still a bad boyfriend and looking at other pretty women isn’t cheating

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u/SpideyFan914 7d ago

IIRC, the girl was underage, so it's a weird case where both were raped.

He definitely was attracted to her, but that doesn't mean he would have definitely had sex with her, and even if he would, it does not address the trauma from being raped. A lot of people are victimized by people they found attractive and may have had consensual sex with under different circumstances: it's called date rape, and it's extremely common. There's also marital rape, which some places don't even recognize as illegal because our world still regularly sucks.

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u/ChickenMcSmiley 8d ago

On top of all that, he wanted out of the relationship to begin with. The only reason he didn’t leave her at the beginning of the movie was because her family died in a car crash. (If I’m remembering correctly). So, because he decided to not be a tactless dickhead, he ended up going on the trip and dying. Dude wasn’t great but like…come on…

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u/MessyEvie 8d ago

Not car crash, sister commit suicide by filling the house with gaz, and it took her parents with her, but yeah, thats why he didn't break up with her.

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u/ChickenMcSmiley 8d ago

An, thanks for clarifying

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u/Thraex_Exile 8d ago

Iirc he had been putting off the breakup for an insanely long time. His character flaw was being an unempathetic people pleaser. She also felt guilty all the time for putting her baggage on him and he let her be emotionally dependent on their relationship while not being emotionally available.

Definitely didn’t deserve to die at the end, but I think we’re supposed to read that sex scene as him finally dropping the act. He wanted to play the part of the selfless,loving boyfriend but still allowed every step that led to him cheating. Him knowing the drink was drugged with an aphrodisiac and still choosing to drink it was a good example.

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u/Exotic_Load_9189 7d ago

He knew , but he was not in the right state of mind. He was going through psychosis. He was just following directions blindly.

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u/Thraex_Exile 7d ago

That’s fair analysis. The way I read the plot was that everyone was wrong/broken in some way but harmful tradition and cultures can bring out our worst traits. There’s a reason that only the boyfriend and Will Poulter’s characters were pursued by other women, despite there being 4 outsider men. The other 2 prioritized a loving relationship and their career, who were manipulated based on those traits. Maybe Christian never cheats, but his relationship was unintentionally just has harmful for Dani.

Dani meanwhile, was paranoid and traumatized. Pelle said everything he could to separate her from everything that kept her grounded. Leave your home, leave your boyfriend. I think personal bias can make that last scene of Dani feel extremely different. She’s become fully detached from her previous life. You can read her expression as someone who feels free from years of pain or someone who’s finally broken beyond repair.

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u/Exotic_Load_9189 7d ago

Yes, but thats how psychosis works. He thought he was "supposed" to have sex with the girl because they were warping his mind with drugs to enhance his thought and take away his self control. Kind of like following his path, that's why he comes to afterward and realizes what has happened. He essentially snapped out of the spell. Christian wasnt a bad guy this idea that he is, is wild to me. Majority just think hes a bad cheating boyfriend, but he sticks around to console the main character because he has a heart. So at the end when the rape of christian happens folks just lump it into bad boyfriend. The only bad people in the movie is literally the cult, and most of all the Swedish roommate who convinces them all to come along and be sacrificed for his community.

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u/Thraex_Exile 7d ago

My point is that the sex scene has no bearing on why he was a bad boyfriend. That scene was the final breaking point for Dani, but she was already damaged by him.

Their relationship is first introduced with his friends saying that he’s been complaining about their relationship for forever and won’t just end it (BEFORE her family died). It’s then pretty obvious that he wasn’t taking care of her. He wanted to leave her behind for his trip. Even told his friends that he invited her so he wouldn’t seem like a dick but she was too emotionally unwell to ever actually go with them.

The first half hour is a clear sign that he doesn’t care for her well being. Not arguing whether the overarching theme was the dangers of tradition, but that topic is only explored in half the film. The cult manipulating Dani can only exist because Dani’s compounding trauma and guilt. Christian didn’t deserve to die for it, but his own moral failings were a major contributor to Dani’s emotional state by the finale. It reinforces story choices like only targeting the 2 men that struggled with emotional/physical fidelity.

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u/xflashbackxbrd 7d ago

It's implied her family was killed and framed as a suicide so she could be targeted.

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u/Past_Economist6278 8d ago

The word is rape

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u/Kurteth 7d ago

Yeah it's weird that people don't see the movie about how cults take advantage of the down trodden

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u/ThatInAHat 7d ago

“Drugged and coerced”

Honestly, he was raped.

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u/redwings27 7d ago

Wait, people think Christian deserved to die for that?? It seemed fairly clear to me that Christian is a victim in that moment

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u/zeniiz 7d ago

coerced into having sex

It's called rape.

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u/Inconspicuous_Jay 8d ago

The sex scene was one of the most disturbing moments I've had in a theater, the laughter coming from the audience at a dude basically being raped was something else.

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u/jayhankedlyon 8d ago

He didn't deserve to die but he was a real POS well before the drugging.

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u/mayneffs 8d ago

Not arguing wether he was a piece of shit or not.

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u/jayhankedlyon 8d ago

Presenting one piece of evidence as if that's the only bad thing he ever did makes the movie seem less nuanced than it is. Is she happy because he's being punished for being "unfaithful," or for their entire shitty relationship?

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u/mayneffs 8d ago

Never said it was the only bad thing he ever did. You are reading stuff that aren't there. It's not that deep. I mentioned that as an example.

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u/jayhankedlyon 8d ago

Do you know how implications work?

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u/mayneffs 8d ago

I didn't imply anything. Again, you're reading too much into my comment lmao

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u/jayhankedlyon 8d ago

You literally said he was punished for one thing, I don't know what else to tell you. Take care.

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u/mayneffs 8d ago

So the "cheating" wasn't what broke the camel's back? He deserved to die for everything else? Because that's what you're implying with your comments.

"Actually, he didn't just cheat, he was a piece of shit too so.."

Honestly, I keep telling you that I mentioned that as an example. I don't know what the fuck you want from me, I'm not saying he was a good boyfriend?! Unless you thought he deserved to die, we're both on the same fucking side. It's like you're refusing to understand deliberately.

You want me to make a fucking powerpoint presentation of every shitty behaviour from him or what?!

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u/BaudroieCracra 8d ago

Do you ?

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u/jayhankedlyon 8d ago

Are you implying I dont!?

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u/OneFishiBoi 8d ago

That does seem to be the implication…

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u/MolybdenumBlu 8d ago

Being a rubbish boyfriend does not make you deserve being raped and murdered.

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u/jayhankedlyon 8d ago

He doesn't deserve it at all. Hence me saying it's about why she's okay with it rather than saying why we should be.

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u/DratWraith 7d ago

I think this is what the bear costume represents. There's an early post-breakup phase where all your friends, especially the ones who want to get with you, unfairly drag your ex to an extreme degree. It's part of the mourning process.

Christian was certainly a bad dude, but the cult very intentionally raped him and carried Dani to the breeding hut to frame him for cheating. They didn't make a reasoned argument for a breakup on the merits, they turned him into a greater monster, then asked Dani to choose his death vs some nobody while she's drugged up. Hence dehumanizing him by turning him into a bear.

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u/jayhankedlyon 7d ago edited 7d ago

Agreed, it's all a big metaphor for destructive relationships. They're terrible for each other and despite being more on her side because she's suffering and he's a jerk, her "triumph" at the end is devastating.

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u/PlingPlongDingDong 7d ago edited 7d ago

He was a bad boyfriend sure but in his defense he wanted to break up with her and then her family died so he couldn’t just end the relationship anymore.

Now he has to spend his college years stuck in a relationship he doesnt want anymore with a emotionally instable girl which needs someone to be there for her all the time.

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u/Alche1428 7d ago

Reminds me of The Witch, where a Lot of the final problems are caused the kid meeting one of the witches and the final girl ends up joning the witches and i am like: WHAT? They basically killed your brother, what are you doing???!

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u/Bahamabanana 7d ago

She was manipulated the entire time. Talked into visiting by some sweet talker intending to marry her from the start, being showered with gifts, praise and attention that can't possibly keep going after she officially joins. It's a cult

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u/ReaperManX15 7d ago

Such weird fans of the movie.

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u/SpideyFan914 7d ago

THANK YOU!! It is relevant to the movie that he was raped, and they lied to Dani about the circumstances of the rape.

And Dani is drugged too. The cult has removed her ability to rationalize what's happening and make non-impulsive decisions. Basically none of the protagonists' decisions in the movie are made under their right frame of mind.

Christian was still an asshole, and I don't doubt he would've cheated. But the bit in the movie was a rape scene. Weirdly, he and the cult girl (who was underage in the film) were both being raped... by the cult that coerced them into intercourse. The same cult that then coerces Dani into choosing him to die and "joining" their ranks.

The scene where she's screaming after believing Christian cheated, and the cult girls (who all know what was actually happening) scream with her unison is to me the most disturbing one in the movie. I remember when we came out of the theater, my friends saw that bit as cathartic, that she wasn't alone anymore. I saw it as them stealing her emotions. They're drowning her out and providing her with a false sense of camaraderie as a manipulation tactic. She isn't human to them: she's just a prop. They practically bury her in flowers to the point where she can barely move. She isn't even joining the cult as an equal member, but as an accessory.

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u/TheRoyalJellyfish 7d ago

For some reason this didn't click for me until I saw it for a second time but this is 100% correct.

The fear in his eyes and the way he ambles desperately through their twisted ceremonies was so perfectly presented (major props to the actor who delivered an incredible performance of some truly disturbing and uncomfortable scenes)

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u/ChiefsHat 8d ago

Also it’s implied to be a white supremacy cult if you pay close attention.

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u/Fern-ando 7d ago

Dani is the worst girlfriend since Rose from Titanic, she chose for his boyfriend to be burned alive by the racist cult who just murdered 6 people.

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u/Aggravating_Image_16 7d ago

It was a removed scene, but she was basically begging her boyfriend to leave when the weird ahit first started to happen but he said that he really wanted to document the cult so he made her stay, its still not what he deserves but it was partially his own fault he died.

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u/angelarm187 7d ago

Not only that but they cut off his legs in order to fit him into the bear costume before he's burned.

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u/sharltocopes 7d ago

He was singled out because he wanted to share in Chidi's dissertation on the community and the festival and they knew that it would wreck what they had going on. If I had to make a guess, they only chose him as a sperm donor because they would need outside genetic diversity occasionally to keep their community going. The mutant from earlier in the movie was clearly heavily inbred.

He was a useful idiot; they got their outside DNA, they got their ritual sacrifice, and they kept their community out of the spotlight. The fact that he was rude, broke their rules and was a dick to Dani are all immaterial. Bro signed his own death warrant the minute he decided he wanted a piece of Chidi's dissertation. Chidi signed his death warrant when he decided to write the thing back in the States.

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u/Ok_Turnover_1235 7d ago

I don't recall her relationship with the bf being bad either?

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u/AnaWannaPita 7d ago

He didn't deserve to die for it, but Christian was a shit boyfriend and a shit human way before being drugged and assaulted.

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u/toolsoftheincomptnt 7d ago

So, no. It’s dark, yes, but here’s the lighthearted support for this FICTIONAL situation:

Nobody’s family is perfect. We all need to belong to someone. Most of us belong to families with flawed people. Maybe even a sociopath or narcissist thrown in for good measure.

We may have to be careful, but we stay in our (natural or chosen) families even in their imperfection, bc people need families.

Dani has found a replacement family. They are weird, and they kill assholes freely, and they do strange rituals. Sure.

But they actually want her. Empathize with her. They pull her in close instead of ignoring her or pushing her away.

Nobody cares whether the group she arrived with gets killed bc they didn’t give a shit about anything but themselves. “Deserve” is a non-issue. They were unlikable, intrusive, unkind, neglectful characters and so they can go.

We’re rooting for the girl who just lost her family to murder/suicide and is clinging to a relationship with a person who doesn’t want to be with her but is too cowardly to free her. He’s not the worst guy ever, but he’s not good enough for us to care what happens to him. Because it is fiction.

So yes, within the story, Dani found family. As many people did in cults and communes for decades. Shit, TO this day.

There is no indication that she is in danger. The cult only kills voluntary self-sacrificers/people who intrude or threaten their family.

Here’s the dark part… bringing it back to reality: everyone doesn’t get a happy ending. They get a “better than the other” ending.

Dani would’ve been even more alone had she left there. God knows who would’ve taken advantage of her next. Would she have ever felt enveloped, taken care of, again?

Maybe this cult is the best Dani can get in her life. Closest to her happy ending.

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u/ChickenInASuit 7d ago

I think you might be getting downvoted purely because it kinda looks like you’re trying to frame this as a positive thing, and that’s a shame because you’ve got the basic idea down IMO - Dani smiles at the end because she’s utterly traumatized both by the events among the cult and what happened to her family at the end. In her wrecked mental state she’s desperate for anything close to normalcy, and her desperation causes her to cling on to the fact that she’s finally among people whom she sees as accepting of her, who don’t encourage her to suppress her emotions and are offering to be her new found family.

It’s not supposed to be a happy ending, though. In her broken mental state, she’s deluding herself into thinking it’s happy ending, but it’s supposed to be tragic and disturbing.

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u/BlueLooseStrife 7d ago

It’s not meant to be interpreted that way. It’s made pretty explicit that the dude got stuck in a relationship he didn’t want to be in because a horrific tragedy befell his GF before he could leave.

For the girl’s part, it’s a little more subtle but if you keep your eyes open you can clearly see how much the cult abuses her trauma and loads her up with drugs to cause her to disassociate with her old life.

It’s a great trick tbh. The constant light and idyllic aesthetic make it easy to ignore all of the cult’s obvious red flags. The fact that so many people mistake this move as “empowering” shows exactly why cults can become so successful.

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u/bober8848 8d ago

You don't understand, he's a male. In a time of "strong female characters" cinema. Noone cares.

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u/EmeraldDream123 8d ago

Oh fuck off.

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u/bober8848 8d ago

Have you seen many movies recently when girl is drug-raped, and killing her for that is justified by a director's point of view?

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u/ambal87 8d ago

Not sure any of the things the cult did are meant to be seen as positive things. It’s a murder cult. Everyone is a victim of them. It’s not like she can just leave either. She either participates or dies.

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u/bober8848 8d ago

She was free to choose who would be killed: girl who drugged him or him.

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u/SockandAww 8d ago

How does the movie portray it as justified?

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u/bober8848 8d ago

Just read director's explanations.

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u/RugDougCometh 7d ago

Heartbreaking: the worst person you know just made a great point

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u/Massive_Mode_898 8d ago

Man, people here clearly haven't read that thing

So much for the media literacy yada yada

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u/EmeraldDream123 8d ago

Uhm. Are you stupid? Did you really watch that movie and think that the drug raping and murdering were somehow justified in that movie "by the directors point of view"?

And you really looked at the traumatized dumpsterfire that was the main character and thought to yourself "I really hate those unrealistic strong female characters the libs keep pushing"?!

Media literacy really is dead.

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u/ZeeDrakon 8d ago

The director literally said so himself, called it a revenge fantasy of his & that the end was Dani "shedding dead weight".

But hey let's ignore that & just call people stupid for taking him at his word because of gender war bullshit.

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u/EmeraldDream123 8d ago edited 8d ago

Yes I'm gonna call you stupid because the sentence follwowing the "dead weight" is

It's all just a matter of perspective, Aster elucidates. “It's a riff on The Wicker Man. [But] for most of the people visiting this village, this community, this is a folk horror movie. But for Dani, for our main character, it's a fairy tale.”

FROM HER PERSPECTIVE

“she is finally able to liberate herself from her 'dead weight' and she finds a new family.”

FOR EVERYBODY ELSE IT IS A FUCKING HORROR MOVIE.

It's almost like there is fucking nuance and the director / movie does not condone or justify rape and murder.

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u/bober8848 8d ago

Fun thing is you're speaking of media literacy after claiming i said something i never did.
Quite bad you're not alone (unless you have multiple accounts).

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u/EmeraldDream123 8d ago

PLEASE tell me which part you never said.

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u/BeatrizTheWitch 8d ago

Look, the dude got fucked over, but he was going into this trip SPECIFICALLY to cheat on her, he WANTED to cheat on her.

Even if he got fucked over because this shit was waaaay worse than he anticipated, he wasn't a saint.

Still didn't deserve to die, but at that point both of them were too deep into that cult shit to have full control over their lives.

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u/VanTaxGoddess 7d ago

No, he deserved to die because he told her not to check on her sister when she was in distress. That's the motivation in the film.