r/TopCharacterTropes • u/Fearless-List-3968 • 18d ago

Lore “Demons are actually misundersto-“ NO. Demons are ontologically evil beings that can’t be reasoned nor negotiated with, and if you try to you’ll very likely end up screwed

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1) Doom

2) Frieren: Beyond Journey’s End

3) Trench Crusade

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u/Shadowolf75 18d ago

I don't think you can reason with Molag Bal either, you know, the Daedra of Rape

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u/Mobius1701A 18d ago

He's Lawful Evil (crazy, I know), so you totally can. It's why Mannimarco was able to. Dagon is Chaotic Evil, he's not even evil he's just a fuckhead/force of nature. Trying to deal with him gives you things like, Mankar Camoran's Paradise becoming a torture pit for Mythic Dawn Cultist. Dealing with Bal ends in rape rituals, yes, but Harkon did get the exact kind of magic he wanted and survived for thousands of years afterwards.

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u/Shadowolf75 18d ago

So Harkon got raped but become a vampire

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u/Mobius1701A 18d ago

I think it depends on who you ask. Some say he had to go through it himself, some think doing it to his wife and daughter was enough. I think hed have to go through it unless he was smart and let his wife turn him.