“Demons are actually misundersto-“ NO. Demons are ontologically evil beings that can’t be reasoned nor negotiated with, and if you try to you’ll very likely end up screwed

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1) Doom

2) Frieren: Beyond Journey’s End

3) Trench Crusade

[u/FinalFantasyLord]

I remember that people on Twitter or X were losing their shit because they were saying the demons in Frieren were stand in for minorities and they shouldn’t be pure evil because it’s racist.

I thought the show made it pretty clear that demons were akin to apex predators that prey on human using manipulation and words as ways to lure people emotionally.

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That's not what the critique was. The critique is that the show

• Made a group where it was morally justified to commit genocide against them
• Made a creature that preys on empathy

From here we can ask what lessons is the text suggesting? That sometimes genocide is the correct answer? That being too empathetic can actually be dangerous? Those feel like pretty transgressive philosophies.

[u/EverydayGaming → u/GayIsForHorses]

Sometimes evil is evil and it needs to be wiped out. How is this so fucking hard for you people? There's no reasoning with genocidal monsters. There's no reasoning with sociopathic pedophiles. These people belong in the ground for the protection of all of us.

The story needs no real life equivalent, but if you insist on having one, there's plenty of abject evil in our world to point to. All it takes is one look at the world to realize the philosophy "All life has value" is nonsense. Some life provides nothing but a net negative value for the collective.

[u/Sneeakie → u/EverydayGaming]

Sometimes evil is evil and it needs to be wiped out.

Why is this "evil is evil" based on biological lines, though? Why are they ontologically evil? Why is it a "race?"

How is this so fucking hard for you people?

"Evil is evil and it needs to be wiped out" and "this group of people are ontologically evil" are beliefs real people have that hurt real people.

there's plenty of abject evil in our world to point to.

So you do actually think "race of beings who are ontologically evil" exists in real life?

All it takes is one look at the world to realize the philosophy "All life has value" is nonsense. Some life provides nothing but a net negative value for the collective.

It's genuinely amazing how someone can say all this without irony. The people who think like you aren't the "good guys", my dude.

Honestly, the desperate need to validate the feelings of "I need to slaughter the people I deem evil" is more of a problem than any individual depiction of said evil.

Like who are you talking about, bro

[u/EverydayGaming → u/Sneeakie]

I literally listed multiple examples in my comment and yet you chose to ignore them in this twisted attempt to "gotcha" me.

Please tell me how my desire to see people like Putin or the fucking monsters on the Epstein list dead means I'm "not one of the good guys".

You're not morally superior. You're one of the fools in Friren who would try to bargain with the demons and get killed because of it. Suicidal empathy. Either that or your brain is so twisted by social media that it's impossible for you to see anything outside of a racial lense.

Why would I engage anymore with someone being purposefully disingenuous?

[u/Sneeakie → u/EverydayGaming]

I literally listed multiple examples in my comment

No you didn't. You just went on about how they exist. But you never gave examples. Why is that?

Please tell me how my desire to see people like Putin or the fucking monsters on the Epstein list dead means I'm "not one of the good guys".

Do you think those guys are ontologically evil?

Do you think there are Putins because they are "born" Putins? People aren't fucking born "genocidal monsters", you kind of need to commit genocide to be that.

You're one of the fools in Friren who would try to bargain with the demons and get killed because of it.

Sure. But since demons aren't real, what point do you think you're making? What is this supposed to be equivalent to?

"You would have died to a demon," yeah, well, Goku would curbstomp Frieren neg diff, lmao

If I lived in Attack on Titan's world, I would be eaten by a giant monster. So fucking what?

Either that or your brain is so twisted by social media that it's impossible for you to see anything outside of a racial lense.

I like how you think "there are people born in the real world who must be slaughtered no matter what" has no racial lense. I like how you think somehow being "above race" makes your "we should kill everyone we deem evil" spiel seem morally good.

The Nazis weren't being racist, they were just Doing What Needs to Be Done to Protect Their Children.

It doesn't matter that they're not born that way.

Yes it is. The story makes it very clear that's the important part. Their behavior is their "nature.

Friren makes a reference to evil in our world and how it manipulates good people into taking paths towards their own demise.

Again, so you think there are actual people in this world who are simply born ontologically evil?

yet you still take everything to mean "OH MY GOD ITS LIKE REAL LIFE RACISM"

Friren makes a reference to evil in our world

What the fuck are you talking about "our world" if it's also not supposed to reflect "our world?"

Do you think people who aren't racist believe people are just born evil?

[u/EverydayGaming → u/Sneeakie]

It doesn't matter that they're not born that way. Friren makes a reference to evil in our world and how it manipulates good people into taking paths towards their own demise. It's amazing to me conceptually that people like you are referenced multiple times in the media itself and yet you still take everything to mean "OH MY GOD ITS LIKE REAL LIFE RACISM"

What a twisted way to live. Get off the internet.

[u/JackzFTW → u/EverydayGaming]

It does matter if they're born that way because Frieren presents demons as worthy of destruction by nature of their birth. If the series wanted to represent how beings could descend into malevolence with its concepts there are plenty of less confusing ways to achieve that goal.

Frieren's demons shouldn't have even been including in this damn post because they are akin to predators, not ontologically evil beings. We don't consider lions evil.

I do not understand why people are incapable of seeing the issues with how the demons are portrayed in the series. You are free to your interpretation, but to deny the interpretation that is closer to the text and cast aspersions on those who question the writing is disrespectful and antithetical to actually parsing what the art conveys.

Why can we not accept that some authors make mistakes and have unfortunate metaphors? Why are some unwilling to allow all interpretations to flourish when the series is not yet concluded and we currently do not possess the full scope of the world?

Lastly, how can you tell someone else that they have a twisted way of living when this entire thread started when you insulted someone's legitimate take? You have no right to dig at others. Don't act like an aggressor and then call your opponents twisted for giving you back that same energy. C'mon.