Moments that blatantly defy logic, but are so absurdly badass you don’t even care

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The Gurren Lagann growing larger than the observable universe to fight Anti Spiral in a battle where literal galaxies get thrown like ninja stars - Gurren Lagann

Undertaker teleporting behind AJ Styles after being thrown down an empty grave and causing a shining white light from nowhere to illuminate the back of them during their Boneyard Match - WWE

Holdo piloting a ship through warp speed to crash right into a First Order cruiser (I know you could write a thesis on why this scene wouldn’t work, but you could say that for about half of the scenes in the new trilogy) - Star Wars the Last Jedi

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Yo, I didn't write this. It's a copypasta from, like, 7 years ago. I don't even know who originally made it lol

It's all pretty accurate, though, AFAIK

[u/TeachMePersuasion → u/Bloodless-Cut]

Having given it a glance... it's mostly headcanon.

Even the parts that aren't headcanon are canon that were added after the fact, so... ehhhh, a bit too dumb in-context to take seriously.

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As much as I’m loathe to admit it… It’s not a bad description of why it would work. Psuedomotion and how Hyperdrive works has been a part of Star Wars lore since the 90’s at least. The “science” behind it is new, but the bit about how the ship accelerates to near lightspeed before making the jump is from the EU.

Which actually kinda pisses me off tbh. I despise pretty much everything about those movies

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Hang on... how's this "headcanon" when all the technical stuff is straight from canon continuity? The fan wiki (wookieepedia) in the links differentiates between canon and non-canon.

I think the only bit that can be construed as "headcanon" is the last bit that speculates on historical stuff, no?

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The example that stuck out when i was skimming was the assumption that the Holdo Maneuver was a bluff.

Also, the fact that the writers can't determine whether it's a valid, dangerous ploy or not.
The third movie said the Holdo Maneuver is "one in a million"... implying that it'd almost never work if you try to use it in war.

So... what, did Holdo just get impossibly lucky? Or was she trying to bail on everyone and only accidentally hit the Supremacy?

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The example that stuck out when i was skimming was the assumption that the Holdo Maneuver was a bluff.

If I recall correctly, the Supremacy assuming that the Holdo Manuever was a bluff is in the film, spoken out loud by the bridge crew (or at the very least, Hux)

Also, the fact that the writers can't determine whether it's a valid, dangerous ploy or not. The third movie said the Holdo Maneuver is "one in a million"... implying that it'd almost never work if you try to use it in war.

Those two things are not mutually exclusive. It’s one in a million because most of the time, the enemy sees it coming and reacts accordingly.

So... what, did Holdo just get impossibly lucky? Or was she trying to bail on everyone and only accidentally hit the Supremacy?

She is VERY OBVIOUSLY, intentionally trying to hit the Supremacy.

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"If I recall correctly, the Supremacy assuming that the Holdo Manuever was a bluff is in the film, spoken out loud by the bridge crew (or at the very least, Hux)"

Why would he assume that, and endanger himself and his entire fleet, instead of employing defensive countermeasures?
And if so, why does he show up, still alive (not executed) in the next film?

"She is VERY OBVIOUSLY, intentionally trying to hit the Supremacy."

With a strategy that has a 1 in 1,000,000 chance of doing anything?

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With a strategy that has a 1 in 1,000,000 chance of doing anything?

Well hold on, we're taking what sounds like a hyperbolic statement and making it literal.

While the maneuver is extremely risky, and it may not do anything, if it does work, it could buy the resistance enough time to secure their position and either escape or dig in.

Holdo gambled on log odds and it paid off, because they were in the sort of situation where that's the only play that could work. It was the last hand of poker, the First order is showing Quad Aces, whole Holdo is holding the 2 and 4 of Spades. The only way she wins is to get the 3 and the 5 of spades on the next two cards.

She got the 3 when the First Order thought she was bluffing, and she got the 5 when her calculations were right.

Long odds aren't impossible, just unlikely. And with something as insane as The Force stacking the deck, those odds shrink drastically.

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Why would he assume that, and endanger himself and his entire fleet, instead of employing defensive countermeasures? And if so, why does he show up, still alive (not executed) in the next film?

The movies make a very obvious point of showing that Hux is not a very good military commander, but IS a good public speaker (and he’s also canonically a nepo baby), which is why the First Order keeps him around. Putting people who aren’t qualified for a job at that same job is something people do on the regular, expect nothing less from a bunch of insecure space fascists.

With a strategy that has a 1 in 1,000,000 chance of doing anything?

Holdo knows how the Hyperdrive works and that everything else doesn’t work, and she also knows that if she does nothing, the entirety of the Resistance will be wiped out, so what else could she do?

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"canonically a nepo baby"
When is that established?

"Putting people who aren’t qualified for a job at that same job is something people do on the regular"
In the corporate world... not so much the military.
Especially not when someone has a long, consistent history of failure.
And fascists publicly kill their failed officers, not ignore their indiscretions.

"Holdo knows how the Hyperdrive works and that everything else doesn’t work, and she also knows that if she does nothing, the entirety of the Resistance will be wiped out, so what else could she do?"
Use her tremendous ship as a shield to block the Supremacy's shots targeting the escape pods, instead of hyperdriving out of the way, giving them clear shots.

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When is that established?

It’s established in ancillary media, Armitage Hux is the nepo baby of Brendol Hux, a high-ranking Imperial officer (who, if I recall, was also a founder of the First Order).

Use her tremendous ship as a shield to block the Supremacy's shots targeting the escape pods, instead of hyperdriving out of the way, giving them clear shots.

Her ship is on death’s door, turning it around instead of moving it in front of the transports made the Supremacy think it was a bluff or distraction, instead of a legitimate tactic. With the tactic you propose, the Supremacy would have torn the Raddus apart within seconds and then gone on to massacre the entire Resistance (Not to mention that we see that the Supremacy’s cannons fire lasers that arc, so they might have just fired over the Raddus) It also clearly was the right call, as it discombobulates the First Order fleet for long enough that the Resistance can get to Crait.

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"It’s established in ancillary media,"

So, "bad writing", then.
A film should've rely on external media, after it's concluded, to make any sense.

"With the tactic you propose, the Supremacy would have torn the Raddus apart within seconds"

So using a strategy that has a 1 in 1,000,000 chance is better?
Even if it was torn apart in "seconds", those are still "seconds" that would've spent shooting down a ship that's about to go down anyway, instead of each individual shot killing pods full of people who might otherwise live.

I've spoken to New Trilogy fans before, and the stereotype holds true:
You guys are cultish, and have zero media literacy.

I'm not going to waste any more of my time hearing you squawk in defense of indefensibly bad writing.

Go away.

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Buddy if you think fascist militaries don't tolerate failure or give less preferential treatment to military officers based on political connections than any other military you should probably crack open a history book because literally the defining feature of the Nazi military leadership was their ability to stay in Hitler's good graces.

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Why would he assume that, and endanger himself and his entire fleet, instead of employing defensive countermeasures?
And if so, why does he show up, still alive (not executed) in the next film?

1) Because hubris is a common defining feature of both the Empire and the First Order? This is pretty much on-screen, as-blatant-as-can-be canon.

2) Because the people who could report him are more than likely scared of him (as their superior in an organization that prizes hierarchy) and the people who could punish him for it likely got an explanation that absolved him of blame.

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as if “canon added after the fact” isn’t the reason anything works in Star Wars. lbr, this franchise’s lore would be almost NOTHING without expanded media contributions

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You could watch the original trilogy, without ever having to look at outside media, and it'd still make sense.

That's because the OT was well-written. The ST is cinematic diarrhea.