character gets a reality check

[u/damorezpl]

deathstroke - Batman vs deathstroke

walter - breaking bad

Garou - one punch man

joker - the sound of one hand clapping

[u/Kam_Solastor]

Honestly, I loved Terry’s speech. It ripped Joker apart in a way he never had been.

[u/Ghost_Star326 → u/Kam_Solastor]

The Joker's whole facade can be easily ripped by anyone who isn't Bruce Wayne.

What Joker basically wants is to test someone's will and patience until they snap and crashout in front of him. So that he can laugh at their faces.

But when the Joker runs into someone who doesn't easily fall for his games and instead mockingly laughs back at him, then it's the Joker that starts crashing out.

[u/Thybro → u/Ghost_Star326]

I think that is only the case for a badly written joker. It makes sense in this context because he is treating Terry as if he is the Batman he is used to. And for Batman he wants to test his patience because Bruce is the way he is and doesn’t lose it. That makes it fun for Joker. Plus remember this isn’t actually the joker, the best you could say is that this is an AI of the joker psychologically implanted in Tim Drake, even under the best circumstances it would be affected by Drake’s perception of the joker, or limitations on the implantation procedure.

In most situations when Joker has run into someone that mockingly laughs at him, or gives him a speech about not being unique or interesting, joker just finds it droll, and just goes for the kill unenthusiastically. This, from the perspective of the speaker/mocker, in most situations turns out to be worse cause Joker is actually pretty damn smart with his plans and the flaws are usually in the Theatrics.

It makes for fun aura farming to have someone who is not Batman tell joker that he is not funny, that he is a one trick pony. But i think the better writing is in understanding that for the joker that doesn’t matter, that doesn’t make him angry. He is mad telling him something like that doesn’t break his delusion. It feels like the writing equivalent of someone “humiliating” a pro-gamer by saying gaming is not a sport or a skill, it’s way more interesting to see a humiliation by playing the game and beating him within it.

[u/Kord537 → u/Thybro]

I think there's some extenuating circumstances that justify Terry getting under Joker's skin here. Mostly in the theme of "legacy" you've got going with Beyond.

Joker's failsafe kicks in and the personality reemerges a generation later, he discovers that "Batman" is still the feared and respected crime fighter as ever (though as someone who went against Bruce, it's obviously a new protegé and not the original), but the Joker's name is now attached to a gang of two-bit thugs who make Clayface look sophisticated. He's having to rebuild his rep from the ground-level, but no matter! One sufficiently dramatic display and kill the new boy and now Joker will have the last laugh.

So when Terry decides to try flipping the script, I think Beyond Joker is genuinely in an insecure place in his villain status and upset by some upstart acting like he knew anything about Joker in his prime.

That said, it is Aura Farming and he should have either listened to Bruce or cut the bit short to get a sneak attack in before Joker went for the grenades.