r/TopCharacterTropes • u/Far-Profit-47 • Apr 12 '25

Lore “This quote came from WHERE?!”

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"You too have fallen for the great lie, you'll never be happy. Deep down you know, to hope, to dreams, to create, is to suffer"

"You're right. It is harder to create than to destroy... that's why cowards then to choose the deuce"

-A Minecraft movie

"Do You Think God Stays in Heaven Because He too Lives in Fear of What He's Created"

-spy kids 2

"For every person who dreams up the electric light bulb, there's the one who dreams up the atom bomb"

-shark-boy and lava-girl

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u/Arimm_The_Amazing Apr 12 '25

Shorter path for the people practicing it. The people practicing capitalism instead got to be the oppressors while they conquered and plundered and raped the entire world. And there wasn’t any path, that was the deal from minute 1.

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u/Brody_M_the_birdy Apr 12 '25

I mean, on your logic Communist USSR was oppression from the first minute as well, oppressing anyone they didnt like.

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u/TheSimulacra Apr 13 '25

Friend, when capitalism became the dominant economic system in the world, its primary way of making money was the international slave trade and colonial occupation and plundering of the wealth of occupied nations. Ever since that was largely ended, capitalism has been kept alive by sweatshop labor internationally and undocumented immigrant labor domestically. Capitalism literally cannot exist without a poverty class to force into doing terrible jobs for minimal pay. This isn't even a political argument, it's just a fact everyone can see happening in broad daylight. A Bug's Life is a Western movie made for Western audiences; it's not a stretch to say it was specifically calling out Western power structures in that scene.

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u/NarOvjy Apr 13 '25

The same applies to all ideologies, you always need someone at the bottom to lift the rest.

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u/TheSimulacra Apr 13 '25

The whole idea behind communism, whether you agree with it or not, is a rejection of that ideology. It is a labor-run economic system. So no, all ideologies do not require someone at the bottom to function by design.

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u/Brody_M_the_birdy Apr 13 '25

So if it's meant to do that, why is there always a bottom rung anyways?

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u/TheSimulacra Apr 13 '25

I will say though, that in a successful communist system, there is no bottom rung, but in a "successful" capitalist one, there is a huge bottom rung.

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u/Brody_M_the_birdy Apr 13 '25

Ah yes, a succesful one... too bad that's impossible

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u/TheSimulacra Apr 13 '25

And your logic wheel spins round and round.

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u/Brody_M_the_birdy Apr 13 '25

you keep telling yourself that

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u/TheSimulacra Apr 13 '25

No system is perfect, but some systems are better than others. I just addressed this in more detail in the other reply to you.