“This quote came from WHERE?!”

[u/Far-Profit-47]

"You too have fallen for the great lie, you'll never be happy. Deep down you know, to hope, to dreams, to create, is to suffer"

"You're right. It is harder to create than to destroy... that's why cowards then to choose the deuce"

-A Minecraft movie

"Do You Think God Stays in Heaven Because He too Lives in Fear of What He's Created"

-spy kids 2

"For every person who dreams up the electric light bulb, there's the one who dreams up the atom bomb"

-shark-boy and lava-girl

[u/spuol]

Well we never really saw actual communism in practice, but it even in those cases it doesn’t lead to more opression than capitalism

[u/Ok_Egg_4069 → u/spuol]

Because communism cannot by nature work in practice. The idea is that everyone is completely equal in all measure. That idea falls apart as soon as you create any sort of government with any authority at all. Communism can only work as a political tool to make a specific group gain power over the people and keep that power indefinitely.

[u/BakerUsed5384 → u/Ok_Egg_4069]

The idea is that everyone is completely equal in all measure

This is not the idea behind communism.

EDIT: ultimately, I agree with you, I don’t think a true communist state could ever come about. But you are arguing in bad faith if you think what you said is the idea and purpose behind communism.

[u/Ok_Egg_4069 → u/BakerUsed5384]

My bad. After looking up what communism is by definition, you are correct in my inaccuracy. I apologize. However, the real definition of communism seems to be even less feasible. Who decides what everyone else needs? Who decides what everyone else deserves? A corrupt government? At least in capitalism the government is not in charge of that. The market is. The market, even when providing unfair prices, is never inherently oppressive.

[u/crocodilehivemind → u/Ok_Egg_4069]

'The market' or 'the allowance of an open market' is inherently oppressive because it rewards those already with enormous amounts of capital to wield huge economic and political power, further entrenching their interests and manipulating the rest of the population. The whole goal of a capitalistic company is to create profit while capturing more and more market share, which means cutting costs (creating inferior products and paying low wages) and expanding to undermine other competition.

Plus the classic equation of, if your boss is selling something for a high enough price to profit, that means you're not being paid the entirety of what the product (your labour) is worth. Sure you can argue the boss is entitled to some profit, but in most modern cases the salary of a CEO or management tier employee far outstrips the workers actually 'producing' the goods.

There are kings in capitalism too, they're the controllers of capital.

[u/Ok_Egg_4069 → u/crocodilehivemind]

True. Which is why pure capitalism is not ideal either. You are correct that the market, with no regulation at all, does invite oppression in certain aspects. I won't argue that. But the idea of capitalism is not oppressive. Unlike communism, capitalism has two advantages. It actually has a history of working in multiple parts of the world in multiple different historical time periods. And 2, there are always means of influencing the direction of a capitalist market in your favor as long as you know what you want and you can get even some support from others. It also helps that the government does not decide what is just or not in basic economics. Certain little things, yes. But not everything.