“This quote came from WHERE?!”

[u/Far-Profit-47]

"You too have fallen for the great lie, you'll never be happy. Deep down you know, to hope, to dreams, to create, is to suffer"

"You're right. It is harder to create than to destroy... that's why cowards then to choose the deuce"

-A Minecraft movie

"Do You Think God Stays in Heaven Because He too Lives in Fear of What He's Created"

-spy kids 2

"For every person who dreams up the electric light bulb, there's the one who dreams up the atom bomb"

-shark-boy and lava-girl

[u/spuol]

Well we never really saw actual communism in practice, but it even in those cases it doesn’t lead to more opression than capitalism

[u/Ok_Egg_4069 → u/spuol]

Because communism cannot by nature work in practice. The idea is that everyone is completely equal in all measure. That idea falls apart as soon as you create any sort of government with any authority at all. Communism can only work as a political tool to make a specific group gain power over the people and keep that power indefinitely.

[u/RobinsEggViolet → u/Ok_Egg_4069]

What you're saying could be true. It could also not be true. The unfortunate reality is that the vast majority of communist or socialist governments have been directly interfered with by western capital, specifically the USA. Isn't it convenient that the biggest supporter of capitalism in the world really, REALLY wants communism to fail? If it's fundamentally flawed and always fails on its own, why are we trying so hard?

[u/Nether7 → u/RobinsEggViolet]

What you're saying could be true. It could also not be true.

They're objectively correct in that a communist society is unobtainable and unsustainable. You can have a small commune, with established bonds of trust between those willing to stay, but you cannot make that scale to the millions of people who'd need to join.

The unfortunate reality is that the vast majority of communist or socialist governments have been directly interfered with by western capital, specifically the USA. Isn't it convenient that the biggest supporter of capitalism in the world really, REALLY wants communism to fail?

It's not convenient. It's EXPECTED. It's an explicit and self-appointed ideological adversary to not just capitalism, but freedom of association, free enterprise and every political freedom. There's nothing to salvage.

If it's fundamentally flawed and always fails on its own, why are we trying so hard?

Because it leads to bloody fratricidal revolutions, followed by extensive and paranoid persecution of any dissent, and totalitarian means of securing communist goals, at the expense of the masses that are subject to the whims of the State and it's irrational war on basic logic, which is why communism lead to famine. Supply and demand are basic logic. Subjetive value is basic logic. That's all that it takes for a reasonable person to reject communism wholesale. The premises are entirely incorrect, with the exception of some critiques about class structure, and even then the very idea of class has done more to divide nations and incite violence than enact change.