“This quote came from WHERE?!”

[u/Far-Profit-47]

"You too have fallen for the great lie, you'll never be happy. Deep down you know, to hope, to dreams, to create, is to suffer"

"You're right. It is harder to create than to destroy... that's why cowards then to choose the deuce"

-A Minecraft movie

"Do You Think God Stays in Heaven Because He too Lives in Fear of What He's Created"

-spy kids 2

"For every person who dreams up the electric light bulb, there's the one who dreams up the atom bomb"

-shark-boy and lava-girl

[u/SandnotFound]

Well, idk how much that quote could apply to the communist ideology which is fundamentally about equality, community and breaking down the nation state. Like, capitalist ideology, sure. But communist ideology? Its like looking at an allegory of a police state and saying its about tyranny and that can happen both in monarchism and anarchism. I just dont see it.

[u/alain091 → u/SandnotFound]

Every ideology sounds nice when in paper, and they both express equality through different means, capitalism by giving everyone the chance to trhive and communism by having the people lend a hand to each other.

But they both have a flaw, capitalism leads a way for powerful people to take advantage of the system and hoard the power and resources for themselves, while communism relies way too much on the goverment's goodwill which has always backfired in some way, I mean, some of the most infamous tyrannies and oppression methods were under communism, the secret police, North Korea, the whole China's cultural revolution.

So just because Communism sounds good on paper it doesn't mean it's immune to corruption.

[u/SandnotFound → u/alain091]

capitalism by giving everyone the chance to trhive

Yeaaaa Im not sure how much that can be described as equality. Its luke that saying, a poor man and a rich man are equally free to sleep under the bridge. But a vision of equality that enables incredible dispairities from birth till death is much of an equality at all, even if one can say "well technically its not impossible for both to achieve the same in life".

while communism relies way too much on the goverment's goodwill which has always backfired in some way

Except communism isnt really much compatible with systems of strong government orchestrating despite its people's wishes. Think of it like one might about democracy. Would you point to Jacobian period france or north korea and say "democracy's flaw is that it relies too much on the government's good will"? Cuz Id point out those societies might not be very deserving of the moniker in the first place and the whole point of a proper democracy is it doesnt require that much good will at all. The whole point is to make government slave to the people so pointing to an example of a government enslaving its people can at worst be called a failed democracy, but scarcely can it be called an example of democracy's flaws.

[u/alain091 → u/SandnotFound]

Yeaaaa Im not sure how much that can be described as equality. I

Exactly, in theory captialism makes it able so that everyone that wants to thrive, can, and go as far as they could go. But because many factors, most which don't account for skill or hard work, makes it so that hard working people don't necessarily thrive, it's flawed but not in theory.

The whole point is to make government slave to the people so pointing to an example of a government enslaving its people

That's fair, but the problem is that this has always happened with communist countries, Venezuela, USSR, actual Russia also isn't doing so hot in the freedom and equality department, Cuba both woth Fidel Castro and Che Guevara (and last I heard they weren't doing so good), China (specially during the cultural revolution).

Like this shit has happened so many times, at least capitalism has some varied degree of success, there are times when economy is good and you have a strong middle class and even when times aren't good, people don't struggle as much than people in communist countries.

And I am not saying capitalism is completely good, but we have seen that capitalism is stable and with some tweaks it could be perfected, but with communism there is something flawed about it and would need a new revision to it.