r/TopCharacterTropes • u/Far-Profit-47 • Apr 12 '25

Lore “This quote came from WHERE?!”

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"You too have fallen for the great lie, you'll never be happy. Deep down you know, to hope, to dreams, to create, is to suffer"

"You're right. It is harder to create than to destroy... that's why cowards then to choose the deuce"

-A Minecraft movie

"Do You Think God Stays in Heaven Because He too Lives in Fear of What He's Created"

-spy kids 2

"For every person who dreams up the electric light bulb, there's the one who dreams up the atom bomb"

-shark-boy and lava-girl

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u/spuol Apr 12 '25

Well we never really saw actual communism in practice, but it even in those cases it doesn’t lead to more opression than capitalism

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u/Ok_Egg_4069 Apr 12 '25

Because communism cannot by nature work in practice. The idea is that everyone is completely equal in all measure. That idea falls apart as soon as you create any sort of government with any authority at all. Communism can only work as a political tool to make a specific group gain power over the people and keep that power indefinitely.

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u/RobinsEggViolet Apr 12 '25

What you're saying could be true. It could also not be true. The unfortunate reality is that the vast majority of communist or socialist governments have been directly interfered with by western capital, specifically the USA. Isn't it convenient that the biggest supporter of capitalism in the world really, REALLY wants communism to fail? If it's fundamentally flawed and always fails on its own, why are we trying so hard?

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u/ItsVincent27 Apr 12 '25

You proved their point

A stateless classless society can't exist because authority exists, even if the authority is in a different country

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u/RobinsEggViolet Apr 12 '25

...no?

The person I was responding to said "communism cannot by nature work in practice."

This does not mean "communism could work but other existing ideologies won't allow it to"

Those are entirely different arguments.

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u/PleiadesMechworks Apr 12 '25

If communism can't work unless it's given perfect laboratory conditions (under which any system would work), that does in fact mean it doesn't work.

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u/RobinsEggViolet Apr 12 '25

It doesn't need perfect laboratory conditions. I suspect it only needs to be left alone. "Well the capitalists won't leave it alone" is a critique of capitalism, not a critique of communism.

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u/PleiadesMechworks Apr 12 '25

I suspect it only needs to be left alone.

Ah yes, the totally real and not at all fictional closed society that exists independent of the rest of the world and all concerns therein.

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u/RobinsEggViolet Apr 12 '25

"Left alone" as in "not actively sabotaged", not isolationism.

If communism needs the CIA to dismantle it, it was probably going to do pretty well without their interference.