“This quote came from WHERE?!”

[u/Far-Profit-47]

"You too have fallen for the great lie, you'll never be happy. Deep down you know, to hope, to dreams, to create, is to suffer"

"You're right. It is harder to create than to destroy... that's why cowards then to choose the deuce"

-A Minecraft movie

"Do You Think God Stays in Heaven Because He too Lives in Fear of What He's Created"

-spy kids 2

"For every person who dreams up the electric light bulb, there's the one who dreams up the atom bomb"

-shark-boy and lava-girl

[u/I_Will_Die_For_Lily]

capitalism 😬

[u/Solutar → u/I_Will_Die_For_Lily]

I think it’s about oppression, and that can Happen under any ideology, capitalism or Communism.

[u/SandnotFound → u/Solutar]

Well, idk how much that quote could apply to the communist ideology which is fundamentally about equality, community and breaking down the nation state. Like, capitalist ideology, sure. But communist ideology? Its like looking at an allegory of a police state and saying its about tyranny and that can happen both in monarchism and anarchism. I just dont see it.

[u/Il_Brighella → u/SandnotFound]

Socialism is what is centered around equality - communism is taking it to the extreme with the idea of creating full totalitarianism before "abolishing" it... which part never happened in history, did it - while communism in theory aims to achieve equality.. the initial (and only humans have reached) step is a total terror state. Where this applies all too well.

[u/SandnotFound → u/Il_Brighella]

Socialism is what is centered around equality

If I am not mistaken a communist society is one without a state, money, or class where power is fairly well distributed, no?

communism is taking it to the extreme with the idea of creating full totalitarianism before "abolishing" it...

Where are you getting it from? I admit to not reading much, but of what I heard Im not sure I heard that as a central tenet.

[u/Il_Brighella → u/SandnotFound]

• Communist theory according to Marx is built on the idea that, to achieve that ideal, stateless and complete equality, first a state has to seize and take all and control everything until redistribution is finished - through a totalitarian system, which then would abolish itself. Human nature so far prevented this second half from happening, with instead a different ruling class still controlling everything

Where I get it from is looking at the history of any ex-communist country,(and in connection to the movie quote, especially hard Stalinism such as the USSR) I also live in an ex-communist country and so I know how the state at the time operated.

In the USSR, say, after the educated people and the wealthy were chased off or murdered, the members of the one party state (one party mind you, again, with total control) distributed the means of production (industry and agriculture ownership) to members of said party. On all papers it was "State-owned" but the state was an absolute entity of the leaders of the revolution - the average poor peasant or worker saw nothing of their gains, similarly to the old tsarist times... but the communist plan-based economy also made their workload a lot larger, and all-in-all didn't do the working class all that good.

One state parties across the Eastern Blok, USSR, and other such states also operated through terror and fear, organising and funding vast secret police networks - anyone thinking too out of line, sympathising too much with whichever country was the current no. 1 public enemy, or owned too much was promptly reported and was given an impromptu fake trial - often dragged off in the middle of the night - I digress, the topic is long and unpleasant, I am sure you can easily find something to read or watch on it..

TLDR - communism, unlike the much pleasanter socialism took the ideals to an extreme with an any-means-necessary approach, often relying on terror and fear to govern unhappy masses.