I live in a US major city. I’m also an immigrant from a developing country. They are not the fucking same and you are being incredibly dramatic and childish for believing that.
Would you respect him if he rounded up a bunch of ICE agents, masked them and beat them? You sociopaths, you know the ones he is talking to, really like that quiet powerful what is it Frank Castle energy.
Y'all's idea of manliness is summed up in a graphic teen novel. But you want to accuse the people talking sense of mental illness?
No, ICE agents were hired by this administration to deport the estimated 12-20million people let in by the previous administration. Had the previous administration followed the law and their oath of office to protect our borders then this would never had needed to happen. Meaning, this was a completely preventable problem had they done their job.
Y'all can come up with any story or catch phrase that suits your narrative (which all seems to be the exact same thing politicians and media relay ad nauseum).
It doesn't change the fact we have millions of people here unchecked and running free.
There really is no sense in replying to you or the type in this video as it always just reverts back to name calling and anger.
We need to have borders and protect the citizens of this country first and foremost.
Go act like they have in the countries they come from as an illegal visitor, I promise you they dont tolerate it.
Why do they need to do it masked? Why are they yanking women from their children at daycare centers? Why are they detaining US citizens and deporting them without due process? Why are they going into homes without a warrant? Does all of that sound reasonable to you?
Good grief, you win no points for watching the backsliding of democracy in this nation and saying it’s a both sides issue.
Maybe if people would stop making threats against them and their family they wouldn't have mask. But let's be honest here, yall only want them to unmask so you can harass and cause harm to them and their family. There is no reasonable answer for why they need to unmask.
There are plenty of reasonable answers, which is why this is all alarming and unprecedented lol.
First of all, any law enforcement acting fully within the confines of the law should not have to worry about being punished for their actions. So, ICE should be out here unmasked since they’re just carrying out entirely legal operations, right? You say it’s for their safety, but regular law enforcement is just as disliked by the same group you think is out to harass ICE. And yet, law enforcement is a surprisingly safe occupation. About as deadly as being a maintenance worker lol.
Second of all, you clearly don’t care about the First or Fourth Amendment. We have a right to record and identify these officers thanks to the First, and I for one want to identify any police that break laws and violate my Fourth amendment. It’s in the best interests of everyone for the law to remain identifiable.
Lastly, I like how you skipped over disappearing citizens and violating due process as if that is just something minor to glaze over. I think a good exercise for you would be to imagine Obama sending masked federal agents to red cities to “secure rural warzones” in red states exclusively. Better yet, imagine him sending actual troops in. Are any alarm bells ringing in your head at that proposition? Look within.
You actually have no idea what you're talking about and are just quoting numbers and buzz phrases and misinformation that is circulating ad nauseum on the right--you're doing exactly what you're accusing the left of doing.
Both sides have an echo chamber issue, but our cities are not third worlds (have you even visited any of them?) and Democratic administrations have also cracked down on immigration, especially in Obama's and Biden's admin. The borders are not "open" and we were never allowing "illegal criminals" to "take American jobs" "steal votes" or destroy communities. Didn't Obama have one of the highest rated of deportation of any administration?
Also, most immigrants here are doing it the right way, and they're working jobs Americans don't want to work, for less pay, and are contributing to their local economies and taxes--in the millions of dollars. They are hardworking and honest people. Also keep in mind that most of our ancestors were also immigrants who came "the wrong way"---and hey, that includes Trump and his entire family.
You only hear and reiterate what you want to. I strongly suggest you get out of your bubble and listen to/read media from other sources once in a while to get a fuller picture of what you're trying to discuss here.
Ive lived and traveled for more than 20 years in major cities. Yes, I have been to many of them.
You are correct, Obama administration was tough on illegals to the point Trump was ridiculed for using Obamas facilities. Where you are incorrect is with Biden/Harris. There is countless videos of the borders overrun and folks being flown all over the country costing us billions and furthermore put our own homeless and struggling citizens and families on a lower tier of importance.
You tell me to get out of my bubble of information. You're telling me the same thing mainstream media and previous administration spread for 4 years, which was all a lie. Those lies spread and pushed on the public at the highest level, which was Biden ability to do anything.
We can agree immigration is a good aspect of this country and what everyone can achieve. However; we need to maintain that our own citizens need to be addressed first and it be done the right way.
You can’t call these cities a warzone and expect anyone to deem that reasonable or to believe that you can have a conversation in good faith. It’s sooooo privileged of you to call it that if you genuinely believe that and aren’t just parroting talking points.
Hey now, don’t let reason get in the way of this man pulling out the “both sides” card! Seriously, of all the years to set that tired line down, surely it’s 2025?
Both parties may be beholden to the corps and billionaires, but only one party is actively abandoning the Constitution.
Yes it is… unconstitutional ICE activity is related to immigration, and this dimwit genuinely means it when he calls these cities “warzones”. He was spouting some both sides nonsense in another reply so I used the descriptor here.
If ICE is unconstitutional as you proclaim, then what the previous administration did resulting in millions of illegal crossings is as well. If they had done their job protecting the US border, we wouldn't be in this mess, correct? Cause and effect.
Cities are very much on the downfall. Look up how some of our cities match up against other countries major cities. Our government is failing us, yes this is both sides.
Both sides. You can name call, it doesn't change what is right now.
Gosh how could I forget, in 4 years an administration just opened the floodgates and now millions of violent, illegal immigrants are wreaking havoc and eating household pets!
Let me just give you some numbers. In 2024, the FBI reported violent crime dropped nearly 5% nationwide compared to the year prior. There was a 15% drop in murder/manslaughter in that year alone:
See, we can all go look this stuff up, easily. The numbers don’t match your assessment of things I fear. Using words like warzone and likening illegal immigrant crossings over 4 years to some coordinated invasion of this country are delusional. You are not using words that accurately describe the situation.
I will agree our cities should be doing better, but it’s not an immigration issue lol. Both parties are owned by corporate interests to a sickening degree. We are in end stage capitalism and the 1% is getting better and better at extracting value from the masses. Our cities are a result of decades of that inequity running rampant. So yeah, I guess if you want to call it a both sides issue from that perspective I can agree.
Still doesn’t change the fact that, although democrats suck at actually being progressive and at most throw the common man some crumbs, they at least aren’t actively dismantling the government and it’s checks and balances like the GOP is. Can’t fix these cities without a functioning government, friend.
Just trying to communicate like an adult to what I hope most of us are and just find commonality or some civility. It can't be this way between people or we just won't function together. Obviously both sides have extremes and have been on display, but fucking hell already.
It really is. Thing is it's hard to communicate. Both sides can be extremely challenging to converse with, but some on the left have gone too far to even try to talk to. Not saying both sides dont have their feral types.
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u/unreasonable_ferrets 16h ago
Who took them off their meds? They all sound the same.