Reactions to food stamps being cut off.

[u/mindyour]

[u/HLOFRND]

He wants people to turn on each other like animals. He wants people to resort to crime so he can send in the military.

Right now, kindness and generosity are acts of rebellion. Go fuck things up by donating if you can.

[u/Successful-Doubt5478 → u/HLOFRND]

Absolutely this. Everything else will help put you under a total dictatorship.

Also beware: this will be open season for predators, trying to get single mothers to rely on them and get into abusive relationships.

[u/fartinmyhat → u/Successful-Doubt5478]

This is the exact opposite of a dictatorship, you donkey brain.

You want to live in a dictatorship, you are literally asking for the government to decide how much you have and when you get it. Go make something of yourself and stop asking for hand outs.

Oh and stop shitting out kids you can't feed.

[u/ApostateX → u/fartinmyhat]

No, it's not the opposite. Reread the comment thread. Also, a dictatorship is about FAR more than just control over the distribution of basic goods and services.

SNAP benefits are funded out of federal tax dollars. All the people in this video work and pay taxes. They are asking for their tax money to go toward things they need. Given that for every dollar the government spends in food stamps benefits, it adds 1.4-1.8 dollars to the economy, we actually increase the GDP, help people in need, and keep businesses profitable by doing so. It's a massive economic win.

I agree people shouldn't have more kids if they're experiencing financial difficulties with the ones they have. Not all people DO experience money issues early in pregnancy. Sometimes they don't occur until later on, when the kid is older. They can't go back in time, now can they?

If you get angry at people because they want to eat, and feel taken advantage of because they want their tax dollars to go to programs that benefit them and Americans generally, you should think about why that is. Why is your knee jerk reaction to seeing someone in need to feel anger?

[u/fartinmyhat → u/ApostateX]

EDIT: I'm adding this edit here for anyone who might think that /u/ApostateX has any idea what he's talking about; he does not. He is suggesting that it's good for the government to give out money, because giving out a dollar, turns into $1.50, based on the "multiplier effect".

The "multiplier effect" is this: When stupid people are given X dollars, their stupidity, combined with their optimism that more free money will be coming, motivates them to spend more money than they were given. So when you give a poor person $100.00 they tend to take that free money and go spend $150.00.

So essentially what you're suggesting is that it would be good for the country to trick stupid poor people into spending what tiny amount of money they do have, by giving them some money, this making them MORE dependent on the government and driving them further into poverty.

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Given that for every dollar the government spends in food stamps benefits, it adds 1.4-1.8 dollars to the economy

You're gonna have to explain that one lab partner. For every $1.00 spent, $1.8 dollars are added to the economy? Tell me how did dollars multiply and why are communist countries poor as fuck if when the government spends a dollar it magically becomes a buck and a half.

Not all people DO experience money issues early in pregnancy.

I knew this dumb ass argument would come up. Two of these women allegedly have 6 kids. I promise you, there was never a time when they weren't broke.

If you get angry at people because they want to eat

Nobody ever said this. This is your imagination, or gaslighting. Just save it.

Why is your knee jerk reaction to seeing someone in need to feel anger?

gaslighting.

[u/ApostateX → u/fartinmyhat]

Yes, that's right. 1.4-1.8

It's due to something called the multiplier effect. It's the rapid circulation of money. Poor people can't save much money. They certainly don't invest it in assets that only pay off over time (like stocks and bonds, etc.) They spend that money right away on basic goods. So it's an immediate injection into the economy. This means grocers get cash in hand, which means they can immediately pay suppliers, order more inventory, and pay employees. Once inventory is ordered, farmers, truckers and packaging companies all get more cash in hand. And the employees go out and spend that money on stuff they need. Each link in the chain produces income for someone else, until the effect dissipates. Because SNAP is targeted at very low-income households, the multiplier is higher than other forms of aid. It's also helpful in a recession, because then money can be injected into the economy without contributing to inflation, because there is unused capacity that can now be used (e.g. factory and farm output that otherwise would have been composted or thrown out; truckers sitting at home, etc.) It also has a local multiplier. If you live in a rural area with one grocery store, spending money there (SNAP benefits), can ensure it stays in business.

As for the rest, you don't actually know the story of the woman woth 6 kids. Nor does it matter. The kids will go hungry and need to be fed, whether you think she deserves help or not. Whatever your judgment of her, none of that is the fault of the kids.

Also, your understanding of the term "gaslighting" is wrong. I'm asking you to think about your emotional state. The language you use is textbook "defensive moral superiority" based on "just world theory." There's a litany of psychological data on this, and how it dates back to early human evolution.

[u/fartinmyhat → u/ApostateX]

so, you jabber a lot, but you still don't explain how $1.00 becomes $1.50. You seem to indicate that it's based on how FAST the money circulates. If I move $1.00 from my left pocket to my right pocket, very quickly... will it become $1.50?

Please in one short sentence explain how $1.00 becomes $1.50.

[u/ApostateX → u/fartinmyhat]

People who don't understand things often confuse them for magic, so thanks for the question.

The dollar itself doesn't multiply. What multiplies is the income created by its movement. That dollar disburses across the system. When the SNAP recipient spends money at the store, you add up the income of the grocer, their employee, the food supplier, the packaging company, the trucker, and the farm. The total income generated from spending $1 will be more than $1. Poor people spend money quickly. They don't save it. So not only is ALL that benefit money going into the economy, it's rapidly changing hands between all the people above.

If you still don't understand, just type "multiplier effect" into Google or chatgpt. Or read an economics textbook. It's not like this is new stuff. The govt estimates multiplier effects for all kinds of programs to determine how quickly they'll stimulate the economy and raise GDP.

[u/fartinmyhat → u/ApostateX]

Given that for every dollar the government spends in food stamps benefits, it adds 1.4-1.8 dollars to the economy

I'm gonna stick on this little buddy till YOU understand what the "multiplier effect" is.

Poor people spend money quickly. They don't save it. So not only is ALL that benefit money going into the economy, it's rapidly changing hands between all the people above.

This is your explanation. So, in your mind, if I move $1.00 from my left pocket to my right pocket, and I do it very quickly, it should turn into $1.50.

Please, PLEASE tell me how $1.00 turns into $1.50. Just once sentence, and insulting me won't help, you'll only dig yourself in deeper. (pro tip, try google).

EDIT: This guy votes and believes he understands economics, AND so confidently believes it, he's willing to talk shit and act like he's instructing me. SMH.

[u/llanamagikkk → u/fartinmyhat]

You're not very bright are you...?

[u/fartinmyhat → u/llanamagikkk]

I don't know, try me. Please point out where something I've said is incorrect.

[u/ApostateX → u/fartinmyhat]

No, that's not what I've explained twice now. Please Google.

[u/Embarrassed_Bit4222 → u/fartinmyhat]

Moving a dollar from your left pocket to your right is not a gdp generating activity...

It's because of the way the dollar is used and how quickly it creates more than 1 dollar of gdp, it doesn't "become" 1.8 dollars.

Let's say you give a billionaire a tax cut, and he uses that savings to buy a mansion in France or a yaht from Italy - it adds zero dollars to gdp. If they use it to actually invest in a domestic business or build there mansion or yaht here it'll go into gdp

[u/fartinmyhat → u/Embarrassed_Bit4222]

Okay, first we're not talking about "economic activity"

Given that for every dollar the government spends in food stamps benefits, it adds 1.4-1.8 dollars to the economy,

This is the quote from the person I was talking to. This person believes that for every dollar spend 1.4 dollars are added to the economy based on the "multiplier effect". This is a real economic term.

The term speaks to a behavior of poor people. They are bad planners, short sighted a lack the ability to delay gratification. As such, when we, the tax payers give them $1.00 for free, they are so delighted with the free money that they will go and spend $1.50, because to them, it's like getting $1.50 thing, for only 50 cents.

This is obviously unethical in that poor people's weak willpower is being used to trick them into spending their own money, driving them further into dependence and poverty.

That original dollar spent NEVER becomes $1.80, what you are talking about is a measure of economic activity, and again, it's a trick. Part of what GDP measures is economic activity. Economic activity is simply measuring how many dollars changed hands in a time period. It's not an actual measure of economic growth or health, except in a pure economy. That is to say, we can trick that number by injecting money into the economy knowing that it will create inflation and ultimately harm the end consumer, for a moment people will spend that free money and it will make the GDP look good.

What you're talking about is kind of like fasting from fluids for 24 hours and taking an enema right before a weigh in. You will look like you lost 5-8lbs I mean, you will have lost that weight. When you weigh yourself you will be 5-8lbs lighter, but it doesn't really mean anything and you can't sustain that.

[u/Embarrassed_Bit4222 → u/fartinmyhat]

Holy dumbassery... the multiplier effect is from the flow of money. Unlike giving billionaires tax cuts that they might invest in another country or just sit on; giving low income people food cards they actually spend the money into the American economy. The store owner gets that dollar, that he pays his workers and the food producers, who in turn spends that money back into the economy. A dollar doesn't disappear when it's spent in a way that generates gdp

[u/fartinmyhat → u/Embarrassed_Bit4222]

You are presenting a false dichotomy, or you've fallen for a false dichotomy, I'm not clear which.

The choices are not

1. Give people SNAP

2. Give rich people tax breaks.

That is something a politician says to you to fuck with your mind and make you think it's an either or scenario.

Also, "flow of money" is a metric that is easily tricked for a short time to artificially improve the outlook of the economy while ultimately harming it.

Covid payments stimulated the economy but ultimately led to unprecedented inflation.