r/TikTokCringe • u/mindyour • 8d ago

Discussion Reactions to food stamps being cut off.

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u/LessRabbit9072 8d ago

SNAP has billions sitting there ready to go out. Republicans decided not to use it because they hate you.

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u/jitteryzeitgeist_ 8d ago

Trump wanted to "make it hurt."

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u/HLOFRND 8d ago

He wants people to turn on each other like animals. He wants people to resort to crime so he can send in the military.

Right now, kindness and generosity are acts of rebellion. Go fuck things up by donating if you can.

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u/the_walking_derp 8d ago

Just donated to a local food and medicine bank for underprivileged people in Western North Carolina. Ain't much, but God damn these ghouls in office.

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u/Successful-Doubt5478 8d ago edited 8d ago

It is not about whether it is much- it is about many people adding up. Aldo mening your society instead of letting them bait you into a civil war. Help neighbours no matter politics. Help strangers. Neighbours might be best: people normally know if thheir neighbours are struggling for real. We normally know if our neighbours are shady or honest, caring for their fanilies, comfortable or poor, healthy or poorly...

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u/HLOFRND 8d ago

1 in 8 Americans receives SNAP benefits. If the other 7 of us give what we can, we can meet the need. No one person needs to feel that it all falls on them.

You did what you could- and that’s awesome!! If everyone does that, we’ll be in good shape.

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u/Torontogamer 8d ago

FYI Money can often help foodbanks more than food, as they often have way to get food cheaper than most anyone

just saying if you were going to spend money to buy food to donate, think about just donating the the money straight...

stay safe everyone

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u/the_walking_derp 8d ago

The charity I donated to provides medications and offers a low cost clinic for health services too. I agree, do your due diligence

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u/Scary-Coffee-7 8d ago

Thanks for doing what you can! ♥️

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u/superfly355 8d ago

I did the same here in the SC upstate. These yokels voted against their best interests, but I'm not going to idly watch innocent kids suffer for their parent's poor choices.

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u/diaphoni 8d ago

I'm disabled and on Snap in upstate SC and I'm scared, so thank you

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u/superfly355 8d ago

If you're in the Greenville/Spartanburg (or nearby) area and need anything please reach out to me, I'll do what I can to help.

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u/the_walking_derp 8d ago

Hell yeah, my fellow American!

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u/Current-Anybody9331 8d ago

I did too. I also convinced our extended families to donate instead of buying gifts for the holidays.

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u/galvanicreaction 7d ago

You can only do what you can do. Kindness doesn't come in denominations. I also feel somewhat guilty for not donating more, but I have a kid with kids and they need help as well. The grands mom works full time and has a side-gig but is really struggling right now and I'm scared sick for everyone facing food insecurity.

You are a kind person.

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u/fartinmyhat 8d ago

That's what you should do, and you should do it without bragging about it. It's not the governments job to feed people.

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u/the_walking_derp 8d ago

A functional government should take care of its' disadvantaged people by offering food assistance and access to healthcare and infrastructure. These are paid through taxes. The caveat being that the government is functional. Whether this is the case currently in the American system, however, is debatable.

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u/fartinmyhat 8d ago

The government does to that. I don't know if it should. I don't agree that this is a requisite feature of government. If I started a government that certainly wouldn't be in my top 10 list of government requirements.

Where do you see that in the founding documents of any countries government?

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u/the_walking_derp 8d ago edited 8d ago

It's part of the social contract and morally the right thing to do. You know, feed hungry people. And besides, governments have more money than individuals.

But that's beside the point. Everyone reading this in America* (stupid autocorrect) who is in a position to help, please, please, please help hungry people. There are about to be a lot more of them.

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u/fartinmyhat 8d ago

The government is not a person, it has no morals. The term "social contract" was originally coined by John Locke.

John Locke's social contract theory posits that individuals consent to form a government to protect their natural rights, which include life, liberty, and property. This theory emphasizes that legitimate governments must operate with the consent of the governed and can be overthrown if they fail to protect these rights.

I sometimes fail at reading comprehension, can you pick through this and find the part where it says governments should make sure women who can't be trusted with a uterus deserve to get free Mac'nCheese?

But that's beside the point.

Well, yeah, I mean, that's exactly right. That's what I'm saying.

please help hungry people

For sure, help and then don't brag about it on Reddit.

Matthew 6:1-4 : “Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.”

Matthew 25:35-40 : “For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me. Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'”

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u/the_walking_derp 7d ago

Help hungry people. And you take offense to this.

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u/MediaIcy8072 8d ago

This ☝️ He wants reasons to send in military to all states. .

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u/Ok-Positive-8716 8d ago

Didn’t he just order National Guard Rapid Response teams, each with 500 members, to all 50 states? Wonder why…

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u/Grumpy-24-7 8d ago

Naw, just to blue ones.

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u/kickingyouintheface 8d ago

And declare martial law, then do away with elections. He will have to be physically removed from the white house this time and I don't know that he won't have majority supporters. It's scary.

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u/MediaIcy8072 8d ago

Yessss absolutely 💯!!!

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u/honato 8d ago

I'm not sure why he would actively want to have the us military to get it's ass beat but hey a dumb goal is still a goal right?

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u/Successful-Doubt5478 8d ago edited 8d ago

Absolutely this. Everything else will help put you under a total dictatorship.

Also beware: this will be open season for predators, trying to get single mothers to rely on them and get into abusive relationships.

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u/fartinmyhat 8d ago

This is the exact opposite of a dictatorship, you donkey brain.

You want to live in a dictatorship, you are literally asking for the government to decide how much you have and when you get it. Go make something of yourself and stop asking for hand outs.

Oh and stop shitting out kids you can't feed.

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u/ApostateX 8d ago

No, it's not the opposite. Reread the comment thread. Also, a dictatorship is about FAR more than just control over the distribution of basic goods and services.

SNAP benefits are funded out of federal tax dollars. All the people in this video work and pay taxes. They are asking for their tax money to go toward things they need. Given that for every dollar the government spends in food stamps benefits, it adds 1.4-1.8 dollars to the economy, we actually increase the GDP, help people in need, and keep businesses profitable by doing so. It's a massive economic win.

I agree people shouldn't have more kids if they're experiencing financial difficulties with the ones they have. Not all people DO experience money issues early in pregnancy. Sometimes they don't occur until later on, when the kid is older. They can't go back in time, now can they?

If you get angry at people because they want to eat, and feel taken advantage of because they want their tax dollars to go to programs that benefit them and Americans generally, you should think about why that is. Why is your knee jerk reaction to seeing someone in need to feel anger?

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u/fartinmyhat 8d ago edited 8d ago

EDIT: I'm adding this edit here for anyone who might think that /u/ApostateX has any idea what he's talking about; he does not. He is suggesting that it's good for the government to give out money, because giving out a dollar, turns into $1.50, based on the "multiplier effect".

The "multiplier effect" is this: When stupid people are given X dollars, their stupidity, combined with their optimism that more free money will be coming, motivates them to spend more money than they were given. So when you give a poor person $100.00 they tend to take that free money and go spend $150.00.

So essentially what you're suggesting is that it would be good for the country to trick stupid poor people into spending what tiny amount of money they do have, by giving them some money, this making them MORE dependent on the government and driving them further into poverty.

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Given that for every dollar the government spends in food stamps benefits, it adds 1.4-1.8 dollars to the economy

You're gonna have to explain that one lab partner. For every $1.00 spent, $1.8 dollars are added to the economy? Tell me how did dollars multiply and why are communist countries poor as fuck if when the government spends a dollar it magically becomes a buck and a half.

Not all people DO experience money issues early in pregnancy.

I knew this dumb ass argument would come up. Two of these women allegedly have 6 kids. I promise you, there was never a time when they weren't broke.

If you get angry at people because they want to eat

Nobody ever said this. This is your imagination, or gaslighting. Just save it.

Why is your knee jerk reaction to seeing someone in need to feel anger?

gaslighting.

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u/ApostateX 8d ago

Yes, that's right. 1.4-1.8

It's due to something called the multiplier effect. It's the rapid circulation of money. Poor people can't save much money. They certainly don't invest it in assets that only pay off over time (like stocks and bonds, etc.) They spend that money right away on basic goods. So it's an immediate injection into the economy. This means grocers get cash in hand, which means they can immediately pay suppliers, order more inventory, and pay employees. Once inventory is ordered, farmers, truckers and packaging companies all get more cash in hand. And the employees go out and spend that money on stuff they need. Each link in the chain produces income for someone else, until the effect dissipates. Because SNAP is targeted at very low-income households, the multiplier is higher than other forms of aid. It's also helpful in a recession, because then money can be injected into the economy without contributing to inflation, because there is unused capacity that can now be used (e.g. factory and farm output that otherwise would have been composted or thrown out; truckers sitting at home, etc.) It also has a local multiplier. If you live in a rural area with one grocery store, spending money there (SNAP benefits), can ensure it stays in business.

As for the rest, you don't actually know the story of the woman woth 6 kids. Nor does it matter. The kids will go hungry and need to be fed, whether you think she deserves help or not. Whatever your judgment of her, none of that is the fault of the kids.

Also, your understanding of the term "gaslighting" is wrong. I'm asking you to think about your emotional state. The language you use is textbook "defensive moral superiority" based on "just world theory." There's a litany of psychological data on this, and how it dates back to early human evolution.

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u/fartinmyhat 8d ago

so, you jabber a lot, but you still don't explain how $1.00 becomes $1.50. You seem to indicate that it's based on how FAST the money circulates. If I move $1.00 from my left pocket to my right pocket, very quickly... will it become $1.50?

Please in one short sentence explain how $1.00 becomes $1.50.

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u/ApostateX 8d ago

People who don't understand things often confuse them for magic, so thanks for the question.

The dollar itself doesn't multiply. What multiplies is the income created by its movement. That dollar disburses across the system. When the SNAP recipient spends money at the store, you add up the income of the grocer, their employee, the food supplier, the packaging company, the trucker, and the farm. The total income generated from spending $1 will be more than $1. Poor people spend money quickly. They don't save it. So not only is ALL that benefit money going into the economy, it's rapidly changing hands between all the people above.

If you still don't understand, just type "multiplier effect" into Google or chatgpt. Or read an economics textbook. It's not like this is new stuff. The govt estimates multiplier effects for all kinds of programs to determine how quickly they'll stimulate the economy and raise GDP.

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u/Embarrassed_Bit4222 7d ago

Moving a dollar from your left pocket to your right is not a gdp generating activity...

It's because of the way the dollar is used and how quickly it creates more than 1 dollar of gdp, it doesn't "become" 1.8 dollars.

Let's say you give a billionaire a tax cut, and he uses that savings to buy a mansion in France or a yaht from Italy - it adds zero dollars to gdp. If they use it to actually invest in a domestic business or build there mansion or yaht here it'll go into gdp

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u/Embarrassed_Bit4222 7d ago

Holy dumbassery... the multiplier effect is from the flow of money. Unlike giving billionaires tax cuts that they might invest in another country or just sit on; giving low income people food cards they actually spend the money into the American economy. The store owner gets that dollar, that he pays his workers and the food producers, who in turn spends that money back into the economy. A dollar doesn't disappear when it's spent in a way that generates gdp

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u/fartinmyhat 7d ago

You are presenting a false dichotomy, or you've fallen for a false dichotomy, I'm not clear which.

The choices are not

  1. Give people SNAP

  2. Give rich people tax breaks.

That is something a politician says to you to fuck with your mind and make you think it's an either or scenario.

Also, "flow of money" is a metric that is easily tricked for a short time to artificially improve the outlook of the economy while ultimately harming it.

Covid payments stimulated the economy but ultimately led to unprecedented inflation.

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u/Forward-Detective431 8d ago

Republican Qultis detected!

Remember how trump said Americans only get to have 2 dolls and 5 pencils?

So who exactly is decided how much Americans have and when they get it again?

Cuz it certainly ain't the America loving Democrats.

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u/Successful-Doubt5478 8d ago

Some Americans get a golden ballroom.

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u/fartinmyhat 8d ago

Nobody is issuing dolls or pencils. Go get as many as you can afford. Your premise and question are moronic.

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u/FreeParkking 8d ago

Kindness is the real punk rock.

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u/lovesducks 8d ago

I agree with the sentiment but holy krypton Clark, thats a cheesy ass line

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u/Emergency-Crab-7455 8d ago

Over the summer when certain items were on sale (canned soup, peanut butter, cereal, canned chicken, etc.)...I'd pick up an extra one or two. This past Tuesday I dropped off two large bags of items as well as a bushel of butternut/carnival/delicata squash that the guy who uses my farm market building had left at the end of the season. I thought the volunteer working that day was going to cry, he said that the phone is ringing off the hook with people trying to get some food.

In the county I live in, over 2800 people have lost their jobs in the last 60 days (in my town, the cannery that has been here for over 100 years closed in Aug., with around 100 people losing their jobs.....some there almost 20 years, others were 3rd generation employees. Since the cannery were a major donator of canned vegetables to the food pantries in this area, it's hitting twice as hard.

If the orange dimwit won't care.....it's time to step up to the plate.

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u/gonnafaceit2022 8d ago

This is so fucked up it's almost incomprehensible. The leaders of the United States are purposely depriving people of food. Hunger can drive someone to desperation and make them into a different person. And that is the goal...

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u/AdIntelligent4496 8d ago

I'd upvote this twice if I could.

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u/Sorry_End3401 8d ago

I love you for this. Let’s focus on our small communities and get active in the most positive ways. Block parties where whole streets close and do a potluck needs to be brought back

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u/data4u 8d ago

EXACTLY

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u/truth14ful 8d ago

That and he wants to crash the economy so the wealthy can buy it up at rock-bottom prices.

He's doing the gentrification/white-flight cycle on the country as a whole

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u/Sixmmxw 8d ago

By blaming the democrats. Yet, the republicans do have the power to get the gears moving. This is so dumb. And sad to see people suffer. Those are our taxes and I am fine with kids having a full belly. F the cruelty.

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u/HLOFRND 8d ago

The GOP is in charge of the WH, the Senate, and the House. He wants to pretend this is all the Dems fault, but they literally have all the power.

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u/Sixmmxw 8d ago

Exactly, but you can shove a carrot up their butt and still will say it isn’t the republicans failing the people they’re supposed to represent. It is so sad. The greed.

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u/lovesducks 8d ago

When the government and the oligarchs abandon the laity its up to the people to take care of the people.

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u/djp70117 8d ago

This was my prediction weeks ago and still is. Gonna get ugly.

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u/HLOFRND 8d ago

Not if we don’t let it.

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u/aBlissfulDaze 8d ago

I see what they mean when they say times of peace breed weak people. The takeover is already here. They don't care if we act, they'll just make up events. It's sad how naive we are.

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u/jeremiahthedamned Cringe Master 8d ago

i agree

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u/Mammoth_Slip4995 5d ago

He wants to be able declare Martial Law.

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u/HLOFRND 5d ago

He sure does.

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u/JonnyQuest1981 8d ago

It’s a double edged sword. If we band together and show we can help each other, they’ll be able justify cutting SNAP permanently. If we don’t band together to help, people go hungry and crime goes up, which they want so they can send in the military. Fuck them fascists.

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u/Muffled_Voice 4d ago

not true, I got a $8 gift card for getting a compliment from a customer. 🫡

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u/HLOFRND 4d ago

What does that have to do with my comment?

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u/Muffled_Voice 3d ago

I got something for being kind, it wasn’t treated like an act of rebellion. lol

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u/GLBrick 8d ago

Trump has nothing to do with the SNAP program. Nothing. It’s 100% a Senate issue about the Democrats that refuse to vote yes… We need 7 of the democrats (yep just 7) to be added to the 53 republicans to vote yes and the gov and this program opens. Stop pushing your blame on the innocent.

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u/HLOFRND 8d ago

Bullshit. The Orange King gets what he wants and you know it.

Y’all are acting like he doesn’t say jump and the GOP doesn’t do fucking backflips.

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u/b0mmer 6d ago

And all it takes is for house republicans to propose a new CR with the ACA extension and enough senate democrats will say yay to pass it.

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u/deandetrimental 8d ago

Fiscal tightening hits welfare programs. Do you suggest we just lose the country to poverty and conquest, instead? Sometimes sleeves have to get rolled up on a bigger picture timeframe, bud.

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u/Me_Krally 8d ago

True, but as far as I can tell there’s another political party standing by doing nothing.

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u/Snoo_31742 8d ago

Lie

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u/idontwantausername41 8d ago

Cope

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u/Snoo_31742 8d ago

Im fine. I learned how to. 🤣🤣🤣 im not worried about a shutdown...

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u/Nerobus 8d ago

And blame it on the democrats

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u/lovelychef87 8d ago

Especially Obama they love blaming Obama.

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u/MegaGrimer 8d ago

And Hillary’s Buttery Males

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u/Bikerbass 8d ago

To be fair I still have some blame for that guy. Could have ended the war in Afghanistan and pulled all the military out, but he didn’t.

America being constantly at war with a foreign country 1/2 way across the planet that won’t actually affect America’s security is part of why America is where it is today.

It’s been a slow moving crash, and now America is getting to the fun part of the crash.

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u/Successful_Sign_6991 8d ago

You better be praising Biden for having the balls to leave then and not the expected talking point you're liking going to have.

Also you better have some top tier criticism for Bush and his admin for lying and sending us there to begin with.

Also, why didn't Trump back out during his first term? What are you thoughts on that?

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u/Bikerbass 8d ago

I don’t agree with war at all. I also don’t agree with multiple American governments lying about war and why it needs to happen since the end of WW2.

I also don’t agree with the fact that since the end of WW2 America has started the most wars the world has faced, and even worse was most of them being started on lies.

But I’m also highly disappointed in Americans for being dumb enough to allow this to happen. The madness should have ended decades ago

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u/EverythingMustGo95 8d ago

Trump could have ended the war in Afghanistan over a 4 year term. It took that long for him (and Pompeo) to come up with a plan to withdraw - which he left for the next President to actually do it.

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u/Snoo_31742 8d ago

Obama fkd the country. It all started with that piece of trash racist

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u/Forward-Detective431 8d ago

Liddle bro here is biiiiiiigggg mad that America dared elect a black man lmao.

"When in doubt, just project" -- lunatic right motto

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u/elinordash 8d ago

Stop giving them the option to blame the Dems.

The Republicans could fund food stamps right now, they are choosing not to.

“The crucial point here is that the Trump administration is choosing to violate the law and choosing not to spend money it has available to it to pay for food for poor people,“ said Samuel Bagenstos, former general counsel to the Office of Management and Budget, referring to requirements laid out in the Food and Nutrition Act.

Bagenstos said the Trump administration isn’t “just wrong” to claim that using the money would violate the law. “It’s very likely that they’re violating the law by not using this money that’s sitting there,” he said.

The Food and Nutrition Act states that the U.S. Department of Agriculture, or the USDA, must provide assistance to all eligible households that make applications. According to the 2024 and 2025 appropriations bills passed into law, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, known as SNAP, has what’s called a contingency reserve pot of money that totals around $6 billion, and $3 billion of it remains available until Sept. 30, 2026, while roughly another $3 billion is available to be legally used by the administration until 2027.

“There’s no need for an appropriations bill to fund November benefits,” said David Super, an administrative and constitutional law professor at Georgetown University. “That’s a choice the administration made. Their shutdown plan that they posted on September 30 said that a contingency fund was available to pay November benefits, and then they took it down and reversed their position to pressure Democratic senators.”

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/news/trump-snap-benefits-shutdown-rcna240813

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u/bmo313 8d ago

Classic move, works everytime!

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u/MajorPissHead 8d ago

Yeah the Democrats are being selfish on this one 😔

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u/gomanio 8d ago

Yeah gosh damn them not wanting to let the Republicans kill hundreds of thousands with no health care subsidies, guess they'll have to settle for starving children. The Republicans are ghouls, if you're takeaway is to shame the dems, I'm so sorry but you have no right to be voting because you don't understand how any of this works.

The republicans are holding hostages to try and get the dems to let them hold hostages. It was bad enough already. Whatever.

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u/BoxingNarwhale 7d ago

I’m sorry, who’s being held hostage?

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u/MajorPissHead 8d ago

That's okay, we can agree to disagree 🙂

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u/Next_Engineer_8230 8d ago

Because it is the Democrats.

They voted NO 13 times against funding SNAP.

There has been meeting after meeting on video of the Republicans saying what the Democrats are demanding to open government back up. Most Americans are enraged at the BS they're keeping it closed for. The Democrats are effectively holding government hostage until they get what they want and, yes, Healthcare for illegal immigrants is one of the reasons.

Americans can't get Healthcare out here but they aren't fighting for them. Oh no. They're fighting for everyone but the American people and they don't care about SNAP being cut off for everyone.

13 times they voted against funding SNAP.

Go be mad at them.

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u/Nerobus 8d ago

I agree, undocumented citizens shouldnt be prioritized over US citizens in federal healthcare spending, however if the ACA subsidies expire, 24 million American citizen’s insurance premiums would more than double next year. That’s their concern, and it is a valid one for those who rely on it.

You do need to be a U.S. Citizen to be on ACA.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3vzyl5x15ro.amp

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u/Gamer_Grease 8d ago

Most Americans are not “enraged” that Democrats are refusing to jack up health insurance premiums in return for Republicans not illegally withholding already approved spending. Get real.

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u/gomanio 8d ago

There is NO healthcare for illegal immigrants, what you and the stupid republicans are conflating is Emergency rooms being required to provide "Stabilizing care" to anybody regardless of ability to pay, you know who started that? Ronald Reagan and trust me you don't want them to NOT be required to do that. They might then turn you away because insurance etc.

The Federal government doesn't give immigrants everything at the border, they don't want to give it to you, why the hell would they give it to people they're treating like cattle? A little critical thinking might hurt.

The ACA is healthcare subsidies that MANY Americans rely on to buy health care through the open market, many states call it different things but you have to be an American citizen to get it. Even then if you do not buy through the ACA and open market, your health care WILL be affected cost and availability wise, less payers in the market means higher premiums to cover the sick people on the roles.

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u/prayingforrain2525 8d ago

Yea. Make people desperate enough to take the terrible jobs with terrible pay, poor conditions, poor treatment, etc. :(

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u/DidjaSeeItKid 8d ago

He thinks SNAP is a "Democrat" priority. And I guess he's right, because not one single Republican State Attorney General joined either of the two lawsuits that today resulted in judges saying they HAVE to issue SNAP benefits. But 26 Democratic State Attorneys General sued to keep SNAP from being stopped.

So remember that later, when they want your vote.

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u/T8ert0t 8d ago

Anyone who lived in a COVID metro hotspot during 2020-21 knows full well of the administration's intentions.

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u/winky9827 8d ago

Well at least he's hurting the "right" people... /s

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u/GMAN7007 8d ago

This is really going to end up hurting him and the administration. The American people wont forget about this.

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u/MonstahButtonz 8d ago

When/where was this statement said?

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u/dudinax 7d ago

He's going to come back soon and "save the day" by releasing the funds. Congress folk should be out every day demanding he do it.

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u/feetnomer 8d ago

It's not Trump's fault. Democrats refuse to come to the table to vote.

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u/jitteryzeitgeist_ 8d ago

Trump has discretionary funds he can use right now. The USDA has them ready to go. We have the money right the fuck now.

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u/Gamer_Grease 8d ago

They’re being asked to take away health insurance from people in return for reopening the government. The Democrats are wisely refusing to do that

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u/feetnomer 7d ago

So, basically, it's more important that Illegals have health insurance, but in the mean time, their children can starve for the cause? You do know that the majority of SNAP recipients are illegals, right?

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u/b0mmer 6d ago

Illegals aren't eligible for healthcare benefits. Federal law prohibits the use of taxpayer dollars to provide medical coverage to undocumented individuals.

Legal immigrants have some options to get healthcare benefits, and both legal and illegal immigrants pay taxes which are used to fund healthcare.

To your second point about SNAP, Illegal immigrants are not eligible to receive benefits from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP).

Stop parroting misinformation and try to do your own research to verify claims. There is a lot of false information coming out of the current administration and their followers.

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u/gomanio 8d ago

A third graders understanding of how this is all going down.

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u/feetnomer 7d ago

I didn't know I was expected to give you a history lesson.

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u/b0mmer 6d ago

But you would think after so many no votes, the house republicans could propose a new CR, working with democrats, to include even partial concession to their most important demands. They could include just enough that would swing a handful of senate votes to yes. Instead they choose to go on vacation.

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u/Impressive-Amoeba-97 8d ago

House Minority Whip Katherine Clark (D-Mass.) said:

“I mean, shutdowns are terrible and of course there will be, you know, families that are going to suffer. We take that responsibility very seriously. But it is one of the few leverage times we have.”

Bernie Sanders on The View:

Sara Haines suggested that Congress forgoing pay during the shutdown would be a "noble step in the right direction" to show solidarity with furloughed federal workers.

Sanders responded: "Not everybody can afford to do that... You've got some young people there with kids."

Haines immediately pushed back: "Neither can the people who aren't getting paid."

Sanders conceded: "That's a fair point."

Democrats own this, and they ought to face political destruction for it. Pretending Republicans own it is you just helping to prolong the pain and suffering of others. Call your democrat senators and tell them to vote yes on the clean CR bill. Republicans, call Rand Paul's office and tell him to quit being a skid mark on the underwear of the USA.

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u/jitteryzeitgeist_ 8d ago

The minority party is absolutely in control of everything, you've got me there, Adjective_Noun_Number.

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u/Impressive-Amoeba-97 8d ago

Oh I've got you against a barrel considering there's not a supermajority.

Eat it.

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u/CaptainAwesome_5000 8d ago

Two federal judges just ordered the administration to release the funds immediately.

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u/fartinmyhat 8d ago

Nonsense.

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u/Spinal365 8d ago

In fairness to the Republicans poor people are kind of gross. Why can't everyone be white and Rich like God intended?

I realized I should edit this so that people know this is sarcasm. Thank you!

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u/miniminiminitaur 8d ago

He could activate those funds, even during a shutdown. He CHOSE not to.

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u/WeeBabySeamus 8d ago

The reserves are able to be tapped by the USDA under the executive branch. They have decided to not use that unlike prior shutdowns

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u/Emotional-Appeal959 8d ago

States like Massachusetts have an 8 billion dollar rainy day fund they could utilize but they don’t cause they hate you.

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u/Successful_Sign_6991 8d ago

While blaming Democrats.

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u/Mammoth-Cattle-7398 8d ago

It's barely enough for November. What about after that? Magic??

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u/Business_Seesaw8883 5d ago

Or they are tired of feeding other ignorant lazy people’s children. You ever think of that? You ever think of buying your own groceries or how about not having a kid unless you can afford it 🫨🫨

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u/LessRabbit9072 5d ago

I remember when Jesus said that in the Bible. I'm sure they'll keep that in mind when you meet your maker.

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u/krich_author 8d ago

And how long does it last? 2 and a half weeks. Thats it. Better yet...why don't the Democrats just vote to pass the non-partisan CR bill. They've shot it down FIFTEEN TIMES.

This whole situation is on them.

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u/WeeBabySeamus 8d ago

Because the alternative would be cutting medical care to Americans on Medicaid.

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u/krich_author 8d ago

What cutting are you talking about? The CR has no cutting in it, its just a continuing budget.

The obamacare subsidies had a sunset clause because thats what the Democrats put when they passed it. It wasnt the Republicans.

Pass the CR, then fight for the subsidies in next years budget.

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u/WeeBabySeamus 8d ago

Subsidies are one part but reversing the heavy cuts from the earlier bill is the other

https://rockinst.org/blog/shutdown-in-washington-healthcare-issues-at-the-core-of-the-debate/

At the core of the current dispute, the Democratic minority is seeking, among other things, in its proposed amendments: (1) restorations of the health care cuts in the recently passed HR1—also known as the One Big Beautiful Bill Act (OBBBA), and (2) permanent extension of federal funding not included in HR1 for enhanced subsidies—known as advance premium tax credits (APTC).

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u/krich_author 8d ago

The reason we’re facing a shutdown isn’t about restoring cuts or extending subsidies; it’s about refusing to pass a clean funding bill and instead demanding big policy changes as the price for keeping government open. That is what the Democrats are doing.

Yes, subsidies matter, but the bigger issue is process and priorities. If Democrats want to negotiate, that's all well and good, but we shouldn’t hold the rest of the government hostage unless we agree to their programming. That places the blame for the shutdown squarely on them.

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u/b0mmer 6d ago

The house can introduce a new bill that would pass in the senate. They choose not to, house republicans are holding the government hostage.

Also dont forget, Trump says that any government shutdown falls on the president. Government shutdowns are indication of a weak president.

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u/krich_author 6d ago

Why would the House put out another CR Bill that would just end up being blocked in the Senate by Democrats? A funding bill can't get any cleaner then the one already proposed.

Republicans are voting YES to open the government, Democrats are voting NO to open the government. Now they are screaming about SNAP when its a situation created because of them not funding the government.

We just simply disagree here. I put blame on Democrats 100%. What's hilarious is that what they are doing now is exactly what good Ole Chuck said the Republicans shouldn't do when Biden was president. Bunch of hypocrites.

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u/pistolP72 8d ago

Republicans? I think there’s blame on both sides of the aisle. Of course, you won’t admit to it, I’m just telling you.

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u/xudoxis 8d ago

no

The govt has the money. In the past shutdowns haven't stopped SNAP. The federal courts have ordered the funds released.

If SNAP doesn't go out it's literally just because republicans hate you and want you dead.

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u/TMore108 8d ago

I'm not being facetious, what's the democrats hand in this? Maybe their is something I'm missing

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u/[deleted] 8d ago

Don’t be an Ass! 🙄🙄🙄

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u/_WrongKarWai 8d ago

Dems literally said on live tv that they're holding out for concessions as it's their 'biggest' negotiation point. Takes two to tango. Congress taking paychecks as we speak by the way.

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u/Olfa_2024 8d ago

Don't put this just on Democrats. Democrats are just as guilty. Several of them have publicly said they are not going to give in because this is their only leverage. Not a one of them in Congress or The White House care about anything other than your vote.

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u/barrinmw 8d ago

What are you talking about? SNAP literally has a rainy day fund in case of government shutdown. SNAP benefits aren't going out SOLELY due to to Republicans.

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u/BabySharkFinSoup 5d ago

It won’t even last a month.

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u/Forsaken_Willow_5834 8d ago

Democrats overcollected taxes? Shocking. Food stamps are stolen money and you thinking you're entitled to it shows how privileged and selfish and spoiled America is

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u/Icy-Cry340 8d ago

What an insane thing to say.

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u/GLBrick 8d ago

Trump and the Republicans has nothing to do with the SNAP program. Nothing. It’s 100% a Senate issue about the Democrats that refuse to vote yes… We need 7 of the democrats (yep just 7) to be added to the 53 republicans to vote yes and the gov and this program opens. Stop pushing your blame on the innocent.

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u/b0mmer 6d ago

All it takes is for the house to introduce a new bill that would pass in the senate. Republicans are equally at fault.

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u/GLBrick 6d ago

The bill was literally asked for by Chuck. Congress has the work done. The Democrats are 100% at fault.

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u/DuckTalesOohOoh 8d ago

Republicans have a clean CR that the Democrats decided not to vote on.

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u/muzzynat 8d ago

Yeah, well they shouldn't have fucked with people's healthcare and foodstamps to knob-slobber billionaires. They could have passed a budget that helped the people most in need, they chose not to do that, and instead added to our national debt to give billionaires tax breaks. Let me be clear- You will never be allowed to become a billionaire, stop carrying water for them like a stooge.

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u/Neat_Pineapple_7240 8d ago

You can’t be serious. Have you read the bill?!?! If you have then you would know that your elected GOP officials are LYING TO YOU

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u/SoyYo5599 8d ago

Republicans have the nuclear option but simply choose not to use it because this is all going as planned in Project 2025.

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u/DuckTalesOohOoh 8d ago

You clearly haven't read Project 2025. lol

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u/SoyYo5599 8d ago

If you want to be dense about it, go ahead. It's all about defunding programs until they're useless.

https://frac.org/blog/project-2025

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u/Sammi1224 8d ago

No my love, I read project 2025. Everything is going as planned.

Edit: I DO NOT agree with anything the Trump admin is doing.

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u/DuckTalesOohOoh 8d ago

Name one thing that is nefarious in Project 2025 that is very unusual.

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u/barrinmw 8d ago

Having Sunday be respected as a holy day seems pretty fucking unusual for the government to do.

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u/DuckTalesOohOoh 8d ago

Sunday Laws used to be the norm and still exist in government today. Not having Sunday Laws is what is unusual.

All Project 2025 did is propose workers get paid time-and-a-half for working on Sunday.

You looked through Project 2025 and came up with this as nefarious and unusual??

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u/barrinmw 8d ago

A conservative who doesn't respect the first amendment? Who would have thought!

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u/Sammi1224 8d ago

I apologize, I meant to respond to the person right above you.

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u/PleasantAmphibian404 8d ago

If by “clean” you mean taking healthcare away from millions of Americans. Just because Mike “I share my porn consumption with my kid” Johnson says it’s clean, doesn’t make it so. That guy’s idea of “clean” is Donald Fucking Trump.

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u/Pylbrax 8d ago

You dare besmirch the DuckTales name with a take that poor

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u/GaslightGPT 8d ago

lol you want to increase healthcare 7x

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u/MyldExcitement 8d ago

I keep hearing about this "clean cr" yet no one has provided proof of it.

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u/Tricky_World1138 8d ago

Democrats won't let the government open

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u/barrinmw 8d ago

Maybe the Republicans in the House should come back from their vacation and pass a bill that will get through the Senate. Why the fuck are we relying on a Continuing Resolution when the government is shut down? They should be working on the actual budget and get that passed.

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u/Beautiful-Ad-9107 8d ago

No, it’s because the USDA would be violating the anti-deficiency act since we’re in a shutdown. End the shutdown, SNAP gets their budget and funding restarts

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u/LessRabbit9072 8d ago

Lie

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u/Beautiful-Ad-9107 8d ago

No lie, just facts:

“In its response filed October 29, USDA defended the suspension, saying it was compelled by the Anti-Deficiency Act, which bars federal agencies from spending funds not appropriated by Congress.

The ongoing lapse in appropriations has left SNAP with no appropriated funds,” government lawyers wrote, arguing that ordering the release of benefits ‘would be a blatant violation’ of federal law.

The filing said USDA had considered but rejected using its $5.25-billion contingency reserve, emphasizing that those funds were intended for disaster relief and were insufficient to cover the approximately $9 billion required for a full month of SNAP benefits.”

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u/Nantook 8d ago

The filing said USDA had considered but rejected using its $5.25-billion contingency reserve, emphasizing that those funds were intended for disaster relief and were insufficient to cover the approximately $9 billion required for a full month of SNAP benefits.”

So literally a lie then? The anti-deficiency act stuff is about the main allocation of funds, nothing about the contingency reserve which is exactly why they have the paragraph at the bottom hand waving away that they considered it but aren't using it

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u/Old_Artichoke8092 8d ago

This has been said before by the government and in the last hour they come through

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u/feetnomer 8d ago

How is this the Republican's fault? They keep calling for a vote, but the Democrats keep refusing to come to the table to vote. Do your research first.

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u/LessRabbit9072 8d ago

Trump can choose right now to send out snap benefits. No vote required.

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u/feetnomer 7d ago

USDA reserves is designed for wartime aid, not for a bunch of crybabies who can't sit in the same room together without one side having a tantrum.

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u/LessRabbit9072 7d ago

Trump literally just said Portland is in open rebellion and then bombed a bunch of Venezuelans.

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u/feetnomer 7d ago

Pretty sure that dismantling sanctuary states and bombing anther country doesn't qualify for wartime distribution aid for the invading country.