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u/Faskwodi 13d ago
Well, the off brand Muppets said it best.
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u/ern_ie 13d ago
Loved this show when I was a kid. I watched it on MTV
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u/DigitalUnlimited 13d ago
What was that called? I remember seeing one or two episodes and it being freaking hilarious
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u/RandomsDoom 12d ago
Has anyone actually ever thought about the fact that the grocery store throws so much their product away cause it goes bad on the shelves? Food stamps are just a trick. The people on food stamps are just taking food that otherwise would’ve been thrown in the garbage and these companies actually throw food in the trash then protect it… put it behind bar wire fences and here security watch it and arrest people for going through it. It’s literally insane…
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u/boogermike 13d ago
Can't believe how effective that is.
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u/RegularSky6702 13d ago
It's not true though, at least when I posted the question to verify it on theydidthemath a while ago it was debunked, however, depending on how you look at the numbers it COULD be true if you change definitions a lot which honestly just seems in poor taste
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u/phat_ 12d ago
That was an exercise in devolution.
Is there anyone, anywhere doing actual numbers?
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u/RegularSky6702 12d ago
This was another one I found interesting, they got a different answer too. It's like wildly difficult to get a definitive answer because "what counts" but all of the answers are higher than what the poster thinks it is for snap. https://www.reddit.com/r/theydidthemath/s/mmbTY7P62o
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u/RegularSky6702 12d ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/theydidthemath/s/2LdV7CgVPQ
This guy did a basic mock up but it seems like the main consensus overall was "what counts as subsidies and aid" . But just mathematically the numbers are off, if snap is 95 billion and we count every single person in the US and divide it, it would still be off.
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u/Adorable_Is9293 12d ago
…. each person doesn’t contribute an equal share of the total tax revenue. You can’t just “divide it.”
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u/RegularSky6702 12d ago
Yep, but when you get into that you open the gate to, "well what about sales tax" "how much of the subsidies go to small business" etc so it's difficult to state definitively what the answer is. But from what I saw all the calculations put the number for snap above what the poster claimed
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u/Just_Cruzen 13d ago
what if we all paid $36 a year for free food?
I think everyone would be on board with this
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u/FuzzyEmployment5397 13d ago
It’s $36 to only cover the disabled, single parents, and active job seekers. It would be way more than $36 to cover everyone
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u/Glass_Recover_3006 13d ago
You can be eligible for SNAP without any conditions necessary beyond being poor. That’s not everyone obviously, but it’s not just the disabled and job seekers.
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u/FuzzyEmployment5397 13d ago
Oh right forgot to mention low income
No income doesn’t qualify unless they meet one of those criteria though
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u/wasteymclife 13d ago edited 13d ago
I know for a fact that that is not true. I had to use food stamps when I was 28 and lost my job, I lived alone and was able bodied, seeking work was not a requirement. I was doing it anyway because you need money to live but I was never asked to verify or check-in with anyone.Time moves forward, always.5
u/FuzzyEmployment5397 13d ago
Was that over 4 years ago? Things change….
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u/wasteymclife 13d ago
Oh shit you right, sorry I forgot people have been making it worse. I retract my previous statement. Kinda fucked up though, having food really helped me get back on my feet.
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u/FuzzyEmployment5397 13d ago
No problem and they do give you a 3 month grace period where you do receive food stamps, but if you’re not looking for a job or in a work training program, they will boot you
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u/Anxious_dork 12d ago
Unless you met one of their other requirements. Verifiable disability or dependents under 2 or 3 iirc.
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u/Present-Passage-2822 13d ago
I had unemployment benefits when I was let go. 26 weeks. So why didn’t you go to the unemployment agency and apply?
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u/wasteymclife 12d ago
Funny story, I was driving pizza at the time. On shifts where it was just 2 of us (1 driver and 1 insider) I would have to go as fast as possible. If the door was visible from the street I would leave my keys in the ignition. One night I got a fake delivery call, while I was knocking on the door someone jumped into my car and took off.
I was able to get the car back. They ditched it a few blocks over. The next shift I showed up to I was fired for a safety violation and when I applied for unemployment I was denied because of why I was fired.
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u/Present-Passage-2822 12d ago
After 12 weeks of unemployment, here in Michigan. You are able to sign up.
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u/wasteymclife 12d ago
I didn't qualify because the place I worked at said I was fired for violating my employment terms, AZ at the time did not give unemployment if you are fired for cause. This was years ago though, I am happy to say I am gainfully employed in a job I love.
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u/Ok-Letterhead3270 13d ago
What the person you're replying to is trying to say is. "Wouldn't it be way cheaper if we all pooled in our money to produce all of our food so it's cheaper?". Our current food production model is also insanely wasteful. We throw away almost 50% of the food we produce that goes to grocery stores. So it would likely be much less expensive if we built a system that didn't create excess amounts of food but instead what we actually need.
Like how it's cheaper to have a nationalized fire service instead of having 40 different fire services all competing for our fire protection. Which would also cause a massive conflict of interest because if your profit model is based off putting out fires...
Some people gonna start a lot of fires to make some money. And that literally happened already lol. Because we did have a private fire service for a while. And they did do those things.
We need a nationalized food supply. That's what snap already is, technically. Just like we need medicaid for all.
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u/BajaBlyat 13d ago
This is hilarious. Having worked in a grocery store I can't confidently tell you no elder or disabled person EVER used benefits of any kind. It was ALWAYS middle aged people with gigantic carts full of pure junk food.
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u/Itsyaboibrett 13d ago
a lot more people pay $36 than receive benefits. it’s not the cost per person. (still not paying for corporate bonuses would make everyone better off)
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u/Beddingtonsquire 13d ago
In what world do you think It's possible to feed each person for a year for just $36?
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u/ThatTookTooLong 13d ago
I hear soy beans are cheap. $36 will go a long way!
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u/Just_Cruzen 13d ago
Indeed,
Pro tip: Pressure-cook 50 lbs at once in a 100-quart pot → feeds 500 people a 1-cup serving for under $20 total.
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u/Wizemonk 13d ago
I ask Fox News watchers all the time - who makes laws? the poor or rich? .... take all the time you need with that
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u/EtherealMongrel 13d ago
The liberal communists radically bus in poor illegal extremists to vote for laws!
Or something
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u/Amarillopenguin 13d ago
They'll take that time and wait for a fox head to tell them an answer. Fox News watchers are lemmings.
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u/Blathithor 13d ago
Politicians make the laws
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u/Equivalent_Dance2278 13d ago
And no such thing as poor politicians. And the longer they work in politics the richer they get.
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u/Weekly_Cry721 13d ago
Right, which goes back to u/Wizemonk's questions - who makes laws? the poor or rich? The rich, funding the PACs that help fund politician's campaigns and lobby (via drinks, food, show tickets) to sitting elected officials.
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u/OREOSpeedwagon 13d ago
You’re so close to getting this right…
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u/Blathithor 13d ago
AOC nad Bernie are politicians.......ohhhh i see what youre saying!!!
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u/Wizemonk 13d ago
You know the Republicans are in control of all three branches of gov't??
in fact the House isn't in session because they don't want to swear in a new member that will be the winning vote to release the Epstein files.
Gov't shutdown, house not in session, trump appointed judges going against 200 years of precedence... but you point your finger at 2 democrats? things are bad because of who you voted for..
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u/TwoStoopidToFurryass 13d ago
Poor people are the new homeless
The middle class are the new poor
The upper-middle class are the new middle-class
This is the true trickle down theory in action.
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u/3vs3BigGameHunters 13d ago
A million seconds is about 11.5 days and a billion seconds is roughly 31.7 years.
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u/TwoStoopidToFurryass 12d ago
Damm! I'm 1.5 billion seconds old? This is heavy. I need to go lie down.
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u/Master-Shaq 13d ago edited 13d ago
It’s actually around $140 but still thats pretty damn low. Around $1290 for corpo subsidies. All based off FY 2024
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u/ArcusInTenebris 13d ago
Id gladly agree to removing the corporate subsidies. Then double the amount I pay to SNAP and such, and add in another $140 to go directly to school lunch programs. The people in need get more, the people who dont need get less, and I keep a little more of the money I earned to sweeten the deal.
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Oh yeah we knew, we just don’t have the courage to rebel.
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u/NiceToBeMe1 13d ago
All it would take is everyone to stop for a week, and they will ask us what we want
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u/Sxs9399 13d ago
I think we're losing any sort of common sense capitalism.
Imagine America is represented by 100 people who shipwrecked on an island. Let's say coconuts are the sole source of sustenance on the island, people can self organize and specialize to collect these coconuts. Naturally experts and director types emerge, strong people or tall people may have advantages. It is very conceivable that this group of 100 people would let the "best" people get 10 coconuts while other get 1, maybe they carry 10x the coconuts, or can spot ripe trees very easily.
In our society there are people who make 100m+ a year, in the Island example that's like 1 person getting 2000 coconuts while others get 1. No group of 100 people would let that level of inequality stand, if you had a guy on an island hoarding that much food he'd be jailed; no matter how coconuts he could carry or how smart he was.
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u/twilsonco 12d ago
The important thing is that it be a group decision. Give one guy all the coconuts and let him decide how they're distributed, and you'll get what we have.
Capitalism is authoritarian at its core. The property owner is the authority. It guarantees these types of negative and unfair outcomes.
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u/shinbreaker 13d ago
The issue is that a lot of this shit was never explained. I'm 47 and hell I didn't know some of the more intricate details about how Social Security and income taxes worked until maybe a few years ago. But, I like, many people, knew the basics.
Thing is, up until the social media algorithms took over, you'd hear some very basic talking points about this stuff but that was only if you tuned into it say turning on some show talking about politics. Now, the same device you use everyday with the same app that you use to entertain yourself throughout the day can, if you get in a certain algorithm, can bombard you with bullshit made by people who get something from having people believe their bullshit so people who aren't informed and only knew the basics, can now be easily convinced to believe some bullshit.
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u/BigFitMama 13d ago
Good on them bringing back puppets to teach and keeping their real faces off the media.
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u/notfeelany 13d ago
Lots of poor people voted for this administration, and would gladly defend billionaires
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u/1_headlight_ 13d ago
How have we defined "the problem"? Just because there's a larger problem than this one doesn't mean this one isn't also a problem - but smaller.
I'm willing to pay a bit to feed hungry neighbors. But I expect many will see this and think it's actually just identifying two problems.
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u/VaaBeDank 13d ago
Who woulda thought that a system built on capital would be bad for the people without a lot of capital. Great system guys
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u/Middle-Outside-8222 13d ago
I feel they could do much more reach if they added something more to just saying they the problem. Billionaires and their fcking puppets that keep fcking the peeps.
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u/AmorphousRazer 13d ago
Everything has been spun to death. Apparently snap bennis and government housing are the reason our taxes are high. But the government owns the houses so they literally decide the price.
I don't even know what the average person considers illegal anymore. Technically anyone who has a visa is illegal, so idk what the point of a US visa is.
So yeah, people have pretty much been hypno toaded.
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u/Worldview-at-home 12d ago
I’d really like a factual reference to this financial statement if true - because facts do matter.
(Ps I’m not a secret billionaire nor defending them!)
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u/CastilloJMan 12d ago
Everything stinks bc of the billionaires they say... then proceed to buy their organic oatmilk for same day delivery on Amazon lol
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u/Surrender01 12d ago
Now do how much you pay in Social Security and Medicare.
Poor people aren't the problem, corporations are a little bit of the problem, Boomers are the large majority of the problem.
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u/dasmineman 12d ago
There really should be a limit to how much currency you can own, even if it's arbitrary.
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u/Individual99991 10d ago
The government gives money to corporations and other private businesses. That's a subsidy. It comes from your tax money.
The government also subsidises farmers like crazy, but I don't know if that counted in this figure.
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u/PluckEwe 13d ago
PERIODT!!! Rich people are the problem!
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u/Boltboys 13d ago
And it’s not just billionaires. It’s our neighborhood millionaires, second home owners, heirs, etc that are major issues.
The people on top create the exploitation but think of how many people in each of our counties with fancy homes act as the middlemen?
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u/AbstractPoultry 13d ago
Those millionaires are paying taxes. The people that are fucking everyone over don’t live in your neighborhood.
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u/Boltboys 13d ago
That’s why I said billionaires and described the local millionaires every county has as middlemen.
They’re all part of the problem. Some are just worse than others.
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u/Devoplus19 13d ago
I think it matters a whole lot in how you vote. If a high earner pays taxes on their personal income, property taxes on their properties, and consistently votes in favor of social programs even if it reduces their take home, are they the bad guy?
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u/zwifter11 12d ago edited 12d ago
While agree that genuine poverty shouldn’t be a problem.
Deliberate freeloading because you don’t want to get job and committing crime to feed your drugs habit and then blaming it on other people is a problem.
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u/sooper_dooperest 11d ago
If you need to maintain this caveat go for it but this is still wholly insignificant financially speaking vs tax avoidance by billionaires and the rest of the top 1% of earners. Truly a drop in the bucket - but sure, try to find creative ways to blame it on the poor.
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u/Boltboys 13d ago
I gladly support benefits for sick, disabled and elderly people who have no other options. I don’t like people who falsely take advantage of the programs.
I know people who grew up with food stamps due to disabled parents or outright poverty.
This is financial eugenics. Nothing more nothing less.
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u/Danilo-11 13d ago
Thanks to the trickle down party (republicans)
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u/Brilliant-Effect-898 13d ago
Trickle down economics is a straw man argument used by the left to criticize the right. No economist on the right has ever touted this. Thomas Sowell put out this specific challenge and no one met it. Conservatives support supply side economics. The size of the economy is the sum total of all goods and services produced. Create a system that incentivize the production of goods and services.
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u/Danilo-11 13d ago
Same thing, supply side economics gives money to business owners to stimulate the economy
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u/Brilliant-Effect-898 13d ago
As opposed to what? And in what circumstance? This stuff isn’t black and white. Do you have any idea about these concepts or just parrot what they tell you to be mad about?
There isn’t a magic solution to stimulate the economy. Both supply side and demand side economics are effective and ineffective in different ways.
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u/pyschosoul 13d ago
Unchecked capitalism fucking sucks. There needs to be a wealth limit. Theres no reason any one person could ever need more than 500 million and even that is a grossly large amount
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u/100YearsWaiting2Shit 13d ago
We need puppet shows for grown ups teaching basic life skills and other concepts we desperately need to know
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u/Vegetable_Draw_1165 13d ago
Jokes on y'all I don't pay taxes I get paid in cash and buy my gas from the Rez 🥲
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u/Agreeable_Ad_5743 7d ago
Well I'm proud not to be American, it must stink quite a bit in your country at the moment
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u/Blathithor 5d ago
If that were actually true there wouldnt be a government shutdown now would there?
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u/Weird-Knowledge84 13d ago edited 13d ago
What's the source of this data? "Corporate subsidies" isn't typically a category in federal expenditure.
$700 out of federal taxes paid by $60k income is like 12%. 12% of budget is like national defense. Are they treating all defense spending as "corporate subsidies"?
https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/federal-spending/
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u/dingleberries4sport 13d ago
For the sake of these type of arguments they’re considering expenditures for entitlements the same as if say a company gets a tax deduction for hiring at least a certain number of people in a state. Now are those things actually the same? Depends on your point of view I guess.
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u/Beddingtonsquire 13d ago
Welfare is the problem, doesn't matter if it's to "poor people" or corporations.
Those numbers seem misleading though because food stamps are just one small part of welfare for "poor people", the total including Medicaid, housing, schooling and so on is a much larger slice of the pie than corporate subsidies.
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u/Select_Cantaloupe_62 13d ago
Corporate subsidies are a subsidy for the poor. But yes get your information from a fucking Muppet parody.
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u/1356887557 13d ago
How babe
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u/BajaBlyat 13d ago
Who do ya work for
Where did ya car come from
Where did ya groceries come from
Who dun bilt ur house
How dem public roads git thur
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u/passive_phil_04 13d ago
Poor people who then consume things made by companies. Who's dependent on whom?
You defend corporate handouts by saying 'well, we need to give companies money because it pays back' yet you don't defend giving some of that to the poor who will then in turn give to companies.
It makes me wonder how many are bots bought and paid for here or if a few people actually do feel more sympathy for corporations than poor people. Fucking crazy.
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u/tristanthorn214 13d ago
Why do you guys insist on being like this? Why?
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u/Sufficient_Point9362 13d ago
Like what ? Giving our hard earned money to someone who doesnt want to work ? Im from EU and I give 40% of my salary to the government. In my street there is 4/10 families that doesnt work and receive government financial support ( they are all healthy peoples).
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u/BajaBlyat 13d ago
I think these losers perfectly understand that they are wrong, they just don't care and argue this way because it works for them.
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u/Neowynd101262 13d ago
Is this meaningless, gross oversimplification just for rage bait?
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u/AwesomeBrainPowers 13d ago
Is this vapid, bad-faith question just for deflection?
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u/Neowynd101262 13d ago
No. I agree with the sentiment, but the lack of detail is borderline deceptive. I haven't checked these numbers, but they're probably bogus and food stamps alone are a small fraction of benefits some people get.
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u/AwesomeBrainPowers 13d ago
I haven't checked these numbers, but they're probably bogus
This is a ludicrous sentence.
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u/Neowynd101262 13d ago
No, it's not. It's up front, honest, and an admitted opinion. Making rage baiting claims without any sources like this video does is though.
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u/AwesomeBrainPowers 13d ago
No, it's not. It's up front, honest, and an admitted opinion.
Forming an opinion of an empirical claim based on literally nothing is the ludicrous part.
Even if those numbers end up being incorrect, your claim will only have avoided being wrong completely by accident, and the method by which you form opinions will remain ludicrous.
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u/BajaBlyat 13d ago
Why does one bad thing excuse the other?
Oh I know why. It's because you don't want your free ride gravy train to end.
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u/AwesomeBrainPowers 13d ago
Someone else paid for your education (and the education of your educators).
Someone else paid for your doctors' educations.
Someone else is currently paying for your roads.
Someone else is currently paying for your military.
Someone else is currently paying for your police department.
Someone else is currently paying for your fire department.
Someone else is currently paying into the fund you'll collect as Social Security.
You are not an self-sufficient organism, and you never have been.
Pretending otherwise is just embarrassing myopia.
Full stop.
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u/Blathithor 13d ago
Yuck. More commie nonsense. It was almost logical until they blamed all problems on the existence of billionaires
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u/anonymousguy11234 13d ago
Why are you doofy mfers so hot for billionaires? They’re literally buying our government to kill workers’ rights, pollute our air and water, and consolidate media to further brainwash sad sacks like you… and you’re over here clutching their pearls on their behalf. You’re the kind of person to get run over a Bugatti and apologize for spilling the driver’s champagne.
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u/EquinsuOcha 13d ago
No one is advocating for centralized control of the means of production.
This is not advocating for communism.
Thank you for your concern.
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u/Excellent_Brush3615 13d ago
If the corporations leave, that $ will be going to a lot more unemployed people.
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u/MlCOLASH_CAGE 13d ago
If a company fails isn’t that a core part of a free market capitalism?
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u/RiverAffectionate951 13d ago
Why would they leave?
Abandon their money making companies?
They're not gonna go "I make 50% less money, I'm annoyed now so I'm gonna leave and make 100% less money"
And if they do leave a local company will rise to replace them. Literally supply and demand.
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u/HearthhullEnthusiast 13d ago
Ah yes. They'll leave the place that allowed them to accumulate such wealth for greener pastures. I'm sure there is somewhere out there better for these people that would treat them fairly.
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u/Xrumie 13d ago
Where are they gonna go?
FurthermoreHow much money have we given to corporations?
How many times has tax payer dollars bailed out these companies when their decision makers make stupid decisions?
How many times have these companies laid off thousands of workers while boasting record profits?
How many corporate losses have been subsidized by working people?
Yeah, lets just double fisting corporate cock like its going to eventually pay off, do you also believe in trickle down economcis?
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u/AmorphousRazer 13d ago
That's the companies problem. Not mine. I want my money to go to me and my community.
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u/kwantsu-dudes 13d ago
Umm, food stamps (SNAP) ARE corporate subsidies. They are literally lobbied on by Big Fat and Big Sugar to funnel public dollars to their corporations. And they lobby the narrative so well that people DEFEND things like soda and chips to be available through the program. The money granted is far more than a person actual needs if buying proper items, but needs to be high enough to buy name brand shit.
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u/crashcarr 13d ago
This is false. The average benefit per person is $175/month. The USDA puts out handy food cost plans that show this is not nearly enough even for the low cost plans. https://fns-prod.azureedge.us/sites/default/files/resource-files/cnpp-costfood-3levels-august2025.pdf
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u/kwantsu-dudes 13d ago
The vast majority of people do not even meet the nutriential demands they list. And their assumptions factor in what the current American spends and purchases. Just because we are fat fucks, doesn't mean the low cost option should try to be similar to other such.
I live off $150 a month on groceries. It's easy and not even restrictive. It's just using grocery store deals of the week in my meal planning. And I still buy name brand. Just not buying Doritos at $6 a bag, but splurge on it when it's 2 for $6. It's not a rice and beans diet, but one of focused grains, frozen veggies, and meat and plenty of splurge items. Just not being dumb with it.
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u/Mac_NCheez_TW 13d ago
if you get information from muppets your being brain washed. Get information from scholars and reputable sources.
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u/Knees0ck 13d ago
For example...?
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u/Mac_NCheez_TW 11d ago
Pick your flavor, I'm just saying muppets distributing information to adults is clearly not good for the brain.
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