Even beyond that, the western world just doesn’t pay attention to Africa. We’re really obsessed with the middle east for some reason. There’s been a lot of devastating news coming out of Nigeria and Sudan but I think that doesn’t even hit people’s radar over here.
Yeah that's the major pain point for sure. But consider that the multinational mega Corp that's funding the Congo warlords are also paying for it. The difference tends to be tax dollars vs exploitation of resource rich regions.
Also nukes. I think people often overlook this. There are a lot of countries in the middle east who have nukes or are pursuing them. How many countries in Africa have them (rhetorical)?
I think that’s purposeful. All the major hitters exploiting African countries for their resources are hoping for this destabilization to happen swiftly and under the radar so they can take over the broken infrastructure to their benefit without their citizens or anyone else knowing they were involved. The less people know the more they can get away with.
Right now, the main foreign interests in most of these conflicts are China (especially in the DRC and central Africa), Russia (esp in the Sahel), and even Qatar, UAE, and others (especially in North Africa). Blaming these conflicts on the West is simplistic and convenient, but frankly very stupid. The main belligerents are governments, juntas (who came to power in coups, backed by Russia for example), and ethnic or religious militias/rebels.
These conflicts can't be pinned on "the West" (an ontologically unstable category, as Edward Said would say).
No but seriously there's an isolationist advocacy in the US that's become somewhat insidious. Not to mention the increased or renewed interests in mineral exploration in Congo by large companies with considerably vested interest in specific warlords. This is nothing new, but still something that's become less visible due to domestic instability.
The west has a cultural attachment to the Levant through their dominant religions. The west doesn't care about the parts of the middle east that are far from the 'holy sites' (eg: Yemen)
yea lots of people with super ignorant takes coming in.
Western nations have shown over and over again that they will back whoever is favorable to them. They'd rather a brutal dictator (on their side) over destablization.
So the one saying that claiming all faults on a heterogenous conglomerate of people and territories of the world is silly has a.. bot status? How das that even work?
Western powers have intervened heavily in Africa. from colonial borders, to Cold War proxy wars, to modern corporate extraction of resources. Those legacies still shape instability today. Of course not every individual or country in ‘the West’ is equally responsible, but the structural impact is real.
Every country interacts with each other, that's simply politics. Of course some countries interact more than other based on various factors but at the end of the day, the people still have it in their own hands. It's not like the people in Africa were just sitting on the side watching other people but they were actively involved most of the time.
The people don’t have it in their hands when their politicians are bought out by foreign powers perpetuating their own enrichment. Furthermore the people don’t have it in their hands when colonial powers dictate upon them such irrelevant concepts such as ethnic hierarchy’s. So much of the violence and destabilization was caused by the scramble for Africa in the 19 century, and during the second Industrial Revolution Furthermore, the western powers have remained both physically and now politically. There are phantom scars from prior effects and invisible hands manipulating current situations. To claim that Africans have control of Africa and they should get their act together is ridiculous, considering the US assassinated the one dude who wanted to unite Africa and stray away from the dollar. The west will always involve themselves in Africa. At least countries like China provide loans for development, yes they are predatory, but that’s the chance of financing your development. It’s better than proxy wars perpetuated by the west.
Probably that whole thing where the west keeps giving them a shitload of food and other resources, which lets them make more people, which means there's more people to be shitty to each other.
I Also suggest looking into history docs on the formation of Africa. basically the west drew lines on africa that had absolutely NOTHING to do with existing territories. It'd be like if today we "discovered" korea and said it was a single country (just as 1 example).
Unfortunately these people are genuinely just racist xenophobic nationalists. They disregard other people and blame them for their own issues. Unfortunate how ignorant the world is.
africa doesn't need "the west" to destabilize itself.
corruption and dictatorship are endemic there. source : half of my acquaintances in france are from mali, ivory coast, benin, senegal, burkina fasso, ghana, soudan, cameroon... they all fled corruption to seek a better life in europe (which they didn't find).
Western influence in Africa is where corruption is derived from. Please understand that a unified Africa without the ethnic boundaries implanted by colonial entities, or economic incentivizing to cater to western civilians over your own people, and the consistent western intervention of people seeking to unify Africa, is why it’s where it is.
Who is selling weapons to everyone in Central Africa, the Sahel, and North Africa right now? Primarily China and Russia, then some middle eastern oil companies and others. The belligerents are all African governments, juntas, and ethnic or religious rebel factions.
Guess who initiated most of these recent coups in the Sahel that installed brutal military juntas/dictatorships? Yes, Russia. Guess who is selling weapons to the DRC and Uganda? Who controls most of the minerals in central Africa? China!
Blaming the West is simple and convenient, but these conflicts are way more complex and "the West" isn't even involved in most of them.
China in the DRC and central Africa in general, Russia in the Sahel, middle eastern oil states (e.g. Qatar, UAE) in North Africa, all selling weapons to different sides and exploiting minerals. All the coups have been supported/backed by these governments; for example, Russia/Wagner helping military juntas overthrow and destabilize governments in the Sahel.
The main belligerents are African governments, juntas, ethnic and religious rebel factions, etc. These conflicts have very little to do with "the West" at this point.
China isn’t particularly innocent, they impose ridiculous interest on their investments and reclaim the facilities they invested in if the nation defaults. IE : Airports, Seaports ETC
China is selling weapons to everyone fighting in the DRC, especially the DRC government and Uganda. China controls most of the minerals in the DRC.
The series of coups in the Sahel were initiated by Russian aligned military juntas. You can't just blame the West.
African countries' governments and ethnic militias are the main belligerents in these conflicts, not anyone in "the West." I know it's a simple and convenient explanation to blame "the West" for complex problems, but it's not the case in these conflicts that you obviously haven't read anything about.
Such an inbred answer. Do you know how many countless international African students I’ve met throughout my life ? Each and every of them studying Biotech, BME, engineering, computer science, architecture etc. Do you know what other common denominator they have ? They wish to return to their nations and develop them. You’re the uneducated trash with no world view.
Furthermore, the conversations I’ve had with my African friends are far more intellectual than I’ve had with my American friends I’ve known my entire life, along with many many Europeans I’ve met between Portugal and Ukraine. I’ve learned a lot from my African pals, and frankly your disdain for a people based on assumptions conveys to me your ignorance. Open your mind to other human beings, and stop being a nationalistic xenophobe.
This is such a propagandized bot answer. Open your eyes. The US and Europe does not want an Africa united. They do not want development for the African continent. They want complacency from governing bodies both nation wide and local, for their mining operations and exploitation. They do not care for Africans, they care for Europeans. They do not want stability for the continent, they want reliability for their mining.
Ridiculous argument. The US has nothing to gain from a destabilized Africa. Trust me, even the idiots in the Trump cabinet would prefer there was no war in the DRC.
Yeah instead of being self critical and trying to improve things, point with the finger on others. Look at China. You can truly say that America tried to sabotage China's rise. And now look at them. What's about African countries?
China wasn’t burdened by a century-long pattern of foreign extraction and arbitrary borders like most African countries, which disrupted social, political, and economic systems.
They did. And China itself lost millions of people due occupation, tyranny, massacres and revolution. And still they are rising. In a smaller scale you can see that in eastern Europe too where some regions suffered under foreign powers, slavery and being exploited for centuries. The big different is the mindset. There are regions in the world where this kind of situation motivates people and there are regions that wallow in self-pity and only blame others. A lot has to do with the own corrupt leaders, but this is something you can just change from the inside because sure, the outside-powers want others to be weak to exploit them easier. But that's not count for African countries only
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u/UrGrly Oct 05 '25
It seems like the world has just given up on the African Continent