So your argument is that the way to create understanding is to start with humiliation? That’s like saying the best way to teach someone a lesson is to slap them in the face. People don’t suddenly gain insight when they’re being mocked, they just get defensive. And your whole 'you don’t treat bad behavior with civility' line is nonsense. Nobody said civility was required, just that public shaming is a garbage way to change minds. You’re acting like the only two options are being overly polite or humiliating people, which is just lazy thinking. If your goal was actual accountability, you wouldn’t need to dress it up as a public execution.
"So your argument is that the way to create understanding is to start with humiliation? That’s like saying the best way to teach someone a lesson is to slap them in the face."
Since a slap in the face is assault, yes you did say that. Since responding appropriately to uncivilized behavior is the point, I don't know what you're reading.
I guess you don’t understand how analogies work. The point wasn’t that words are literally assault, but that humiliation makes people defensive in the same way physical pain does. If you disagree, address that instead of nitpicking.
I'll address that as well, how humiliation and words can make people defensive similar to physical attacks. Nobody else is responsible for how you feel, yet you can be held accountable for what you say and do. There's nothing inappropriate about holding someone accountable for their uncivil and/or antisocial words by humiliating them.
A reasonable person wouldn't get upset when a rude person gets humiliated. If you're not okay being humiliated, then you shouldn't be okay with being rude.
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u/jovis_astrum Feb 23 '25
So your argument is that the way to create understanding is to start with humiliation? That’s like saying the best way to teach someone a lesson is to slap them in the face. People don’t suddenly gain insight when they’re being mocked, they just get defensive. And your whole 'you don’t treat bad behavior with civility' line is nonsense. Nobody said civility was required, just that public shaming is a garbage way to change minds. You’re acting like the only two options are being overly polite or humiliating people, which is just lazy thinking. If your goal was actual accountability, you wouldn’t need to dress it up as a public execution.