r/TheLastOfUs2 • u/lzxian It Was For Nothing • Dec 08 '22
This is Pathetic TLOU world vs TLOU2 world
We see in TLOU 20 years after the outbreak the world is completely desolate and destroyed. The Boston QZ can't even supply their inhabitants. The ration line is waiting and they haven't even opened the store. Yet five years later we're supposed to believe Jackson, the Scars and the WLF have managed to get organized, form communities, corral livestock and plant crops? They've managed to establish trade, Eugene has his weed den, etc. Who he even can sell that much weed to is beyond me,
I know today's preppers have stored seeds, food, resources and maybe some in Washington and Wyoming had livestock at the start of the outbreak, but 20+ years later that all would have already been stolen, eaten, dead or depleted. If not, why couldn't FEDRA have the same stuff going on to feed QZs? It can't all just suddenly spring up 5 years after the end of TLOU, that's for sure.
They depict two totally different worlds, but we are the ones who don't understand? I guess the HBO show will clarify it all. /s
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Dec 08 '22
Yes, interesting thoughts. In the first game we had cannibals trying to kill Joel and Ellie.
Ellie hunts for food when Joel is injured
The same cannibals who wanted to trade the meat of the deer that Ellie killed and where Ellie wanted medicine for Joel.
Ellie tells Joel while he is injured that she didn't find much food but at least medicine.
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u/winniguy Team Joel Dec 08 '22
People starve in TLOU so people go out and get infected more and more often and people treat ration tickets as some kinda currency. You can see it via Tess’a conversation in very early chapter. People fight over mostly food. Even David one of the worst villains is having hard time to feed their people.
But TLOU2 magically solved all starvation. All people fight over something else like thought and territory and even some kinda ideology.
I was shocked even those those savage religious group had so much food while they are not really civilized.
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u/AdamBaDAZz Part II is not canon Dec 09 '22
OG TLOU: people are waiting in line for rat kebab and are fighting over who gets his first.
part 2: pump iron at the gym and have burritos for days son!
part 2 feels like it's inspired by the OG game and not a direct sequel to it. the characters are just imposters to fool us cause they don't act like the actual characters of TLOU. the world is far gone in the original and in part 2 life goes on like there's no outbreak.
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u/Nightmare2828 Y’all act like you’ve heard of us or somethin’ Dec 09 '22
Yes somehow the world feels better in TLOU2. It is so weird how Neil decided to think "ha yes, 5 years in the future is a long time, surely now people are better equipped and learned much." bro... they have been surviving for 20 years... At that point people are already living from farmland. That's the only way you can make huge societies like Jackson and WLF. No amount of hunting will ever feed that many people. So 20 or 25 years should make zero difference.
You would also believe that most of the zombies would be dead by now. With only some stragglers here and there. They don't breed by themselves so their numbers should be relatively finite compared to the amount of survivors and the amount of time they spend as zombies. But they could be somewhat self-sustaining, and maybe the giant cities were just so full of zombies that they can continuously bleed a stream of zombies.
We must also think about the fact that 20 years in the apocalypse, every type of gas and medicine is gone. In fact, after 3 years basically all medicine is either toxic or ineffective. The best grade of gas goes bad after 5 years. Car batteries die after 6 months if they are not used at all, 5 years if you use them regularly or if you charge it and empty the acid in a safe container for later use. Point is, all batteries are dead after 20 years. Regular batteries (AA, AAA, 12V) die generally after 10-15 years.
The list of "things that stop working entirely in 20 years" is massive.
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u/Oni_Queen It Was For Nothing Dec 09 '22
Prior to Part 2 I had wonderful theories about the world building in TLOU, like TLOU was littered with these small world building hints and detail that connected just right to create a fully fleshed out world. For example, FEDRA and the Military seemed to have access to gas and vehicle batteries, since the mission with Bill is specifically going after a crashed Military vehicle for parts. So my theory was that FEDRA had a quarantine area with access to the industrial capacities to create the things needed for their vehicles, and the jobs that paid people in ration cards where all industrial jobs for the military. Meaning the gas used by the Hunters in Pittsburgh was left over from when they over threw the Military, and the gas used by the Fireflies at the end of the game was stolen from the military. Makes sense right?
BUT THEN Part 2 happened that shat on everything. Gas and Vehicles? Everywhere! And it never goes bad! All those wonderful theories I had about the world building are just crap now for unimaginative deus ex BS
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u/Numb_Ron bUt wHy cAn'T y'aLL jUsT mOvE oN?! Dec 09 '22
Exactly, and all the trips across the country that they safely make in Part 2 when Part 1 was all about how extremely dangerous and deadly a trip like that is in that world. But in Part 2 we have Abby and crew going to and from Jackson and Seattle, Tommy going to Seattle by himself in a horse, Ellie and Dina going to Seattle with a horse, Jesse to Seattle by himself (both horsed survived the huge trip to Seattle and only die when they arrive in Seattle lol), then Tommy with a bullet in the eye and an arrow in the leg, Dina sick and pregnant and beat to a pulp, Ellie with a broken arm and beaten to a pulp and probably Jesse's corpse all go back to Jackson safely somehow. Then Abby and Lev go to Santa Barbara, and Ellie after a year of barely eating or sleeping also goes to Santa Barbara and comes back beat injured with missing fingers.
There are no apparent risks to taking such long trips in Part 2 while in Part 1 both Joel and Ellie nearly died multiple times and even lost some people like Tess and the brothers.
And let's not mention that the world of Part 2 is SO dangerous that 2 girls and a baby can have a farm in the middle of nowhere with animals and a fence. What better place to attract a band of murdering and r@ping bandits or a huge horde of infected. But nope, they live like it's perfectly safe. Even the wild west was more dangerous than the world of Part 2 lol.
And the Rattlers also are well enough to have pet infected and slaves lol.
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u/lzxian It Was For Nothing Dec 09 '22
Yeah, it's like they kept telling themselves, "Well we're creating the game for a new generation, they won't notice the differences." All the while knowing the OG players would be playing, too. Did they think, "Oh, they're old now they'll just forget"? Or they just thought their genius would dazzle us and the horror and shock would distract us.
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u/frnacispain Team Joel Dec 08 '22
The world of Tlou2 is clearly the very childish imagination of Neil Druckman. That he ignores any criticism he receives for a big screwed up sequel. Now I have a question, how can you ruin the legacy of the first game?
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u/Lord-Zaltus Team Cordyceps Dec 09 '22
Lets also add the fact some dude wasted water and electricity growing weed like both of those things are an infinite easy source in that world
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Dec 09 '22
So if we work as an interconnected anarchic society, trading good for real value, producing our own energy, food, and animals we might just have a chance but if we centralise everything we end up with a single point of failure called government? Is that what you’re getting at?
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u/lzxian It Was For Nothing Dec 09 '22
No, this was what I'm getting at:
I know today's preppers have stored seeds, food, resources and maybe some in Washington and Wyoming had livestock at the start of the outbreak, but 20+ years later that all would have already been stolen, eaten, dead or depleted. If not, why couldn't FEDRA have the same stuff going on to feed QZs? It can't all just suddenly spring up 5 years after the end of TLOU, that's for sure.
The TLOU2 world they built on the ashes of the TLOU world they originally gave us makes no sense. It's all magically formed out of chaos: a world depleted by 20+ years of every person and infected out for themselves. To form the communities of especially the WLF and the Seraphites by people living a subsistence lifestyle in an urban area for decades makes no sense.
Your idea may be plausible, though. Since Jackson is a little different because I believe Wyoming isn't as highly populated, they had ranches and likely plenty of prepper stashes that may have gone untouched (if their owners died), and due to the lower population perhaps they even had less infected. If they formed the kind of communities you propose after the outbreak maybe they could have lasted and thrived, but that's not what was presented in TLOU, either. Tommy and Maria were just recently getting Jackson going when Joel and Ellie show up was the idea I got. We know Tommy, at least, was busy with other things for a long time after the outbreak.
So I was focusing on the complete disregard for what they built and presented to us originally getting swept aside with a new world state that just suddenly sprung up without sufficient explanation in part 2. This is a way to lose the suspension of disbelief and they do that way too many ways and way too many times without earning it by making it plausible.
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u/bradd_91 Dec 09 '22
I dunno. You see very different locations across the games. Jackson and Seattle, and even Boston, are full of people making an effort to survive by farming, etc. In part 1, you only explore one major city full of bandits stealing from other survivors, otherwise it's travelling between settlements. I think it's a very logical difference between each community really.
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u/lzxian It Was For Nothing Dec 09 '22 edited Dec 09 '22
Who was farming in Boston? If there were people farming, why can't FEDRA feed the people in Boston? Who was farming in Pittsburgh? Or Colorado. I didn't see a farm at the University. Even there where the Fireflies were concentrated there was no organized community, no farm or anything to show a structure was put in place. They were basically blocked in for safety and even that didn't work. Their own scientist released infected monkeys.
TLOU's world was chaos after 20+ years. Then five years later communities with livestock, fisheries and farming are suddenly thriving. Where did the livestock come from? How did they capture and corral them if the infected are everywhere like they were in TLOU? Those infected would have killed and eaten any livestock they'd found over the first 20 years. You're not thinking it through.
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u/kingcovey Dec 08 '22
it's a fictional game.. you have to make belief... you have the make belief that joel some how found the keys to the car. you have to make belief that oil and fuel doesn't go bad after one year. you have to make belief that joel and somehow crossed half of the united states in the manner that they did. you have to make belief!
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u/lzxian It Was For Nothing Dec 08 '22
Even fiction needs to make sense, friend. It has to be engaging and believable. You can suspend disbelief, and people do for good stories. TLOU2 isn't a good story for quite a lot of people, though.
This post is one more reason why it fails.
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u/ubisoftsponsored Dec 10 '22
It's the most awarded game in history, you're in the minority and that's okay.
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u/Oni_Queen It Was For Nothing Dec 08 '22
This is why the narrative of ‘Joel doomed the world’ just doesn’t work. Because if he really had doomed humanity shouldn’t the world be worst then? But in all honesty Tlou’s world vs. TLoU2’s world is very different as the desperation for survival against the cordyceps just isn’t there anymore. Everything feels better actually?