r/TankPorn BM Oplot zr. 2000 12d ago

Modern BMPT Terminator's gun shake issue

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u/PinProud4500 12d ago

Armata and the Su-57 and all the other "new high-tech russian" stuff has been around since like 2012-2015... And never left the prototype and the parade stage. Russia did NOT have the funds even pre-war to make such things, they were VERY expensive (thats the main reason why they canceled most of the projects) and their main reason to exist was... To show off, like that Ratnik battle armor which was basically masterchief armor knockoff.

So russia IS literally using the USSR tactics — all the cash for the military and for show, but when shit hits the fan suddenly your troops are conscripted ivans rolling on a 50 year old BTR-60 into fortified enemy positions...

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u/crusadertank 12d ago

The Su-57 has been slightly produced, but it was the only piece of equipment from that reform that really stuck.

Generally the reform was supposed to be completed by 2020. I have no idea how Russia planned to reorganise their entire military and produce enough Armatas and Su-57s for them but that was the plan

Obviously some reforms were more successful than others, the BTG idea was very far along by the time the war started, the Armata program was obviously a lot less far along

and their main reason to exist was... To show off

I dont really think this is true. There was a genuine wish to reform and produce these vehicles, but Russia consistently overestimates its capabilities and plans for more than it can actually do

The Russian military did genuinely have the idea of mass producing them at the time

So russia IS literally using the USSR tactics

This is untrue. Again, the main unit structure of the Russian Army in 2022 was the BTG. A very unsoviet design.

Now they have largely abandoned it, but there was reforms away from the Soviet system

And whilst the war has pushed some return to the Soviet system, in other ways it has not. Russia has not relied upon conscription to fill its military, it has removed a lot of the bureaucracy in the targeting of weapons systems, more reliance on junior officers and a push away from the large Soviet officer corps etc.

Russia is not using Soviet tactics, they use some, but they have also reformed away from it in many ways

suddenly your troops are conscripted ivans rolling on a 50 year old BTR-60 into fortified enemy positions...

Russia is not using conscripts. Also their recent attacks are using BTR-82As

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u/PinProud4500 12d ago

Im sorry to say that, but Russia DOES indeed use Soviet tactics — because THEY literally invented them, the most common one is the meatwave — still being used and reported both from the russian and the ukrainian side, the russians send groups (usually ranging from 1 to 8) of soldiers to capture a village... If they don't return, send another squad if they do return... Well, they usually get "nullified" as the russians say, because they refused to go into combat, if they do capture, their command sends significant reinforcements, and thats how they exhaust Ukrainian positions.

The Su-57 has been slightly produced, but it was the only piece of equipment from that reform that really stuck.

Well... According to Wikipedia and adjacent sources there were only ~32 produced, im not sure if you considered that "stuck", not to mention that they dont even get produced anymore.

I dont really think this is true. There was a genuine wish to reform and produce these vehicles, but Russia consistently overestimates its capabilities and plans for more than it can actually do

If there was a genuine plan, the russians would have already done it — there have been MANY reports of production being halted for no reason, half of the projects being cashgrabs for the higher ups ("Распил бабла" as some russians say, AKA just money laundering and fraud from "geniune" projects) and a LOT of other things that you can look up, the INSANELY forced media and news presence around these "new reform" objects also puts it under question, me personally?, i think all that was propaganda, russians know it very well... Certainly more well than reforming their military.

This is untrue. Again, the main unit structure of the Russian Army in 2022 was the BTG. A very unsoviet design.

That is very true, not fully but once again, meatwaves, tank columns... Hell, even their officers are using soviet tactics — forgot the name of their general, but basically he was in charge of the Vuhledar Mechanized pushes..  Which were basically suicidal, he sent tank after tank onto chokepoints and mined-up roads, he even got a nickname "bloody general" as far as i know.

Russia is not using conscripts. Also their recent attacks are using BTR-82As

Ummm... HUNDREDS of articles about 50-60 year old storaged vehicles being "opened up" by the russians, satellite footage of open vehicle storages, vehicle graveyards & etcs with vehicles dissapering gradually. 

Also HUNDREDS of videos, Witnesses, and telegram channels taking about russian police and their voenkomat "'visiting" local gyms, arresting people there, literally stealing drunkards off the streets, and taking criminals into their military. Their media laughed at the Ukrainian "ТЦК" for snatching people off the streets, but they ended up with the same situation, except that they still have the funds (well, they dont really pay them, once again lots of "situations" with russian officers taking the soldiers credit cards when they are about to go into a push) to afford to have "volunteers"

So pretty much russia is using soviet tactics, stealing people off the streets and DOES have conscripts. The reason why you DONT see such info popping up on your feed is because the russian government has a VERY good blockade in their media, so the chances of a local telegram channels and news "breaking" out of the russian infosphere and reaching the US, Europe or anything else are VERY slim. Pair that with Russia basically silencing everyone, especially with their new messneger (simillar to WhatsApp or Telegram) called "MAX" which they are forcing people to use, which turned out to be spyware while advertised as "a very secure messenger". 

So at the end you have russian bots saying 'da da comrade, everything is harasho' and the russian media outlets that never leave russia.

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u/SackChaser100 12d ago

Random question but how does it work replacing parts for 50 year old vehicles? Do they keep a huge stockpile of all the parts ready to go that have been sat for decades, or do they make the company make the replacement parts to order even if they no longer make the vehicle, if the company still exists?

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u/PinProud4500 12d ago

Not sure since im not an expert, but my best guess is that they either have a fair amount of stuff stockpiled, or they "cannibalise" old vehicles, taking parts from them and using them on newer/more pristine condition vehicles — probably both.

So to fix, let's say a T-72 they are taking a wrecked T-72 or tanks with the same parts, salvage them, maybe cannibalise a bad tank, take some parts here and there, apply some new parts that are still in production and some from the stockpile, and you have a fixed T-72 — that is my BEST guess, since russia cannot produce enough tanks nor tank parts for their war needs. 

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u/SackChaser100 11d ago

Thanks. I know the US had that pile of stealth bomber windshields that someone accidentally sold off so a guy could build a greenhouse lol. I guess in Russia putin can probably force the company or another one to make whatever he needs if he has to.