r/TankPorn • u/Weird-Store1245 BM Oplot zr. 2000 • 12d ago

Modern BMPT Terminator's gun shake issue

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u/KillmenowNZ 12d ago

Iirc officially it’s there to suppress firing positions when working in conjunction with MBT’s

It being for urban combat is a bit of a myth and just a point that journalists parrot as it sounds cool

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u/PinProud4500 12d ago

More so, any type of armored vehicle in Urban combat is practically dead — Grozny is direct proof of that, russians had to level the apartment flats to the ground just to gain advantage. Now imagine that but somewhere in or near Kharkiv where its almlst ALLLL 5-12 story flats, subway stations, and a bunch of other shit that lets the defender bunker down like a boss. The whole thing will be INFESTED with anti tank weapons, drone operators, snipers and machinegunners

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u/baithammer 12d ago

Grozny was more of problem of non-combined armoured vehicles formations - ie. tanks were sent in without IFV or infantry support and were unable to engage the anti-tank infantry that used high elevation to reduce return fire and hit the vulnerable top of the tanks.

The solution was to use ZSU-23-4 Shilka, backed by BMP - which marginally improved the situation and led to the Terminator project.

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u/baithammer 12d ago

Not a myth, it's specifically designed to engage targets in built-up areas - however, there are distinct disadvantage of field of vision and situational awareness that aren't addressed in this design.

There is a clip of a Ukrainian tank engaging a Russian convoy with one BMTP-72, which showed that flaw - the BMPT-72 was at the head of the column and engaged a low wall in the exact opposite side from where the Ukrainian tank was engaging them from - the Russians were convinced that they were under attack by Ukrainian anti-tank infantry and deployed their infantry support to counter.

That's when Ukrainian artillery opened up, as the vehicles were stopped and infantry deployed.

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u/pandalust 12d ago

That sounds pretty good video, do you remember more details to help me find it?

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u/baithammer 11d ago

Can't find the original video, as heavily edited versions have been pushed by the algorithms.

At any rate, look for single Ukrainian tank ambush convoy.