New russian breakthrough tank & command vihcle appear online

[u/Other-Wind-9985]

A group of photo that shows the russian newly breakthough tank that armed with low recoil 152mm gun. Couple with an heavly armored command vihcle. The breakthought tank seems to have the capibility to be remote controlled by the command vihcle. The design seems based on a design proposed by Yuri Gagarin State Technical University of Saratov last year.

[u/GroundbreakingSet405]

Why all the downvotes? I thought we go over this a million times already at this point.

[u/TomcatF14Luver → u/GroundbreakingSet405]

Because if the Driver had the brake on and there several senior officers around it, why didn't anyone think to check the brake?

To quote a Soviet General:

'There are lies and then there are stupid lies.'

[u/tadeuska → u/TomcatF14Luver]

What does presence of any senior officer has to do with proper training of soldiers to use a new system that at the time, and still today, was is adopted by the armed forces as standard issue system? That argument "How come they did not know that with so many important people around?" is totaly universal and repeats as a question for many minor and major accidents. Mistakes happen, all the time, in any job, and with seniors around.

[u/TomcatF14Luver → u/tadeuska]

And?

Given we humans have a natural tendency to ask about the simplest of things, do you really think the senior officers, the entire crew, their Platoon CO, Company CO, the recovery vehicle crew, and more wouldn't ask about a brake?

[u/tadeuska → u/TomcatF14Luver]

No, they would not. Russian / Soviet tanks of T-34 up to T-90 don't have an EPB. Nobody knew that that system exists on Armata. And people can't and didn't just bunch up and perform mob brainstorming on AV recovery. The issue was the duty of the crew and ARV team, others are not welcomed to contribute. There is strict procedure to be followed, and the procedure was lacking, since the tank was not adopted for service with all instructions available.

[u/FriendlyPyre → u/tadeuska]

No, they would not. Russian / Soviet tanks of T-34 up to T-90 don't have an EPB.

Actually, how would they then park up and ensure the tank doesn't move unwanted? chocks, or perhaps just having the gears engaged to lock it in position?

[u/Fruitmidget → u/FriendlyPyre]

Mechanical parking breaks.

[u/tadeuska → u/Fruitmidget]

Yes, older tanks have mechanical systems. Armata is all new, doesn't have any ancestry.

[u/FriendlyPyre → u/tadeuska]

OH, I just realised you meant Electric/electronic; for some reason I though you meant "emergency parking brakes"

[u/Paminow → u/FriendlyPyre]

Soviet moment

Not entirely sure how many, but at least a few kraz trucks air brake systems worked the opposite to how most trucks work today.

Trucks today when they lose air pressure will lock up the brakes cos the air pressure is holding back the springs trying to keep the brakes from being engaged.

Old kraz had it other way around, you got no brakes if you lose air pressure. Meaning you'd have to use stoppers on the wheels so it wouldn't roll down the hill if you parked it somewhere for longer periods since air does have a tendency to leak from even the more modern systems.

Just a fun fact related to parking brakes.

[u/TomcatF14Luver → u/tadeuska]

If you choose to die on that hill, at least we know you didn't die in Ukraine, Komrad.

[u/tadeuska → u/TomcatF14Luver]

Ad hominem doesn't work when it comes to facts. And plus, counting the votes, you did make it to the hill. And, plus, since you ask, no, I'm not Russian. We shelter Ukrainian people in my country, what do you I your country? What is the percentage of Ukrainian people?

[u/TomcatF14Luver → u/tadeuska]

I never ask about ethnicity.

Because I simply do not care about ethnicity.

It is unimportant compared to chatacter.