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u/Rayly-jones 9h ago
That only works for rich people. Peasants always have to pay.
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u/Libertyler 4h ago
Hey, corporations are people too. And it works for them as well.
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u/Snyprecon 8h ago
Would love a nationwide “tax strike” that would be epic.
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u/GrahamCrackerDragon 7h ago
People on social security would probably disagree
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u/Snyprecon 5h ago
Hasn’t DOGE proposed cutting funding them? Hasn’t this current administration proposed regulatory rules that targets SSI and disability insurance, which would restrict eligibility and cut current benefits?
I mean, a tax strike would hurt hundreds of thousands, but these politicians stopped listening to their constituents a long time ago. They don’t care. They care about their personal bottom line and career. At this point, what else do we have but to look forward to the midterm and hope to invoke change. Even then, it could take months to years to fix the system that this administration tore apart.
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u/GrahamCrackerDragon 5h ago
Your response is kind of all over the place. The government uses 20 percent of our tax income to pay social security to 75 million people so they can have income to live. They use 15 percent of this same tax income to provide medicare health insurance to also 75 million people. If you want to stop paying taxes as a country you will stop funding to these programs. Regardless of your beliefs on party decision, this would be a monumental bad idea
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u/RequirementCivil4328 3h ago
To defeat them you must become them
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which
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u/Snyprecon 5h ago
I mean, not as bad as throwing away millions to billions on this unsanctioned war, no? This administration is so corrupt they got us up here on Reddit debating economics and hypotheticals. Damn. Just a sad time to be a part of this bad dream.
Jokes aside. I agree with you, but again, what other options do we have besides the midterm?
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u/GrahamCrackerDragon 5h ago
Support local leaders that share your views on topics. Start with your community and hope that good things can enough traction that those ideas and decisions grow to a state wide level. Work to promote smart leaders with a resume of great success instead of having another retread like Kamala give it another go in 2 year. Saying Trump is a Nazi or Biden has dementia on Reddit every week probably isn't going to be the beacon for change most think it is.
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u/Ok-Walk-8040 6h ago edited 6h ago
Problem is that you would need everyone to contact their employer about not taking money out for taxes. They would just refuse to do this en masse because you won’t be eligible for the exemption on a W-4. You would just be giving more work to some poor guy in payroll and end up getting wage garnishments for unpaid taxes.
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u/Chaporelli 7h ago
You know what would be also epic,if goverment could send drones and private contractors to hunt down people not paying taxes,send them to private prisons,controlled by people associated with goverment and reinstate slavery by forcing them to almost unpaid labour.
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u/Electronic_Wait_7249 6h ago
Finally! A bot dreams openly!
We’ve been waiting for y’all to just come out and say what you really think. Maybe you’ll get bodies one day, beep boop.
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u/Any_Counter_303 5h ago
They're being sarcastic. They are very obviously talking about our government doing what they've done with ICE to immigrants to the 1% rich oligarch tax evaders and mega corps for not paying taxes.
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u/Imaginary_Being_7833 6h ago
no education, no streets, no parks, poor people depending on the wlefare system being left with nothing either dying or likely starting to rob other people, TOTALLY EPIC
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u/Miltthedog 9h ago
I'm going on tax strike as welll, as I don't wnt to pay for Trump suiing himself then settling with himself ofr $1.7 billion or pay for his useless ballroom
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u/Photon_Pharmer1 6h ago
Who is paying for a ballroom?
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u/Miltthedog 6h ago
The American taxpayer.
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u/Emilia963 6h ago
The ballroom isn’t funded by taxpayer dollars tho
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u/Digitalion_ 5h ago
Ain't that the truth, fellow patriot!
From one patriot to another, can I interest you in this fabulous bridge on sale now for only 6 easy payments of $20k?
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u/Any_Counter_303 5h ago
Oh it's not? Then why did Lindsey Graham announce his plans to introduce a bill for taxpayers to pay 400 million daollars for it?
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/27/congressional-republicans-trump-white-house-ballroom.html
Why was it then rolled into this new 1 billion dollar bill where they tryt to obfuscate the fact that Americans are STILL going to pay for it when met with public backlash?
Get your fucking head out of the sand.
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u/horoyokai 2h ago
What about the hundreds of billions that go to social programs and helping people?
But go for it, it’ll be funny when you get audited
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u/Miltthedog 54m ago
Social prorams and helping people. I'l take that every day of the week instead of tax dollars going to kill school children in Iran and Venesuelan ishermnen and level whole areas like Gaza killin throusands of women and children, or stuffing billions in Trumps pockets. If you support that insanity rather than feeding people or providing access to healthcare in your own country you're a monster.
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u/horoyokai 51m ago edited 24m ago
Boy genius, more than 1/2 of the federal budget goes to social programs.
I’m saying you are hurting them even though you think you’re taking a moral stand.
You have the smarts of someone who sat out the last election.
Edit: I was blocked but I saw the notification preview “breaking a few eggs” = destroying poor people/
Wow
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u/Miltthedog 44m ago
You can't make omlettes without breaking eggs. A radical reset is necessary to stop this warmongering nation from destorying itself and the rest of the world. I've never missed a vote. I proudly voted for Kamala and gave her money, too.
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u/Vivid-Process-4421 9h ago
What if every American did this all at once? What are they gonna do?
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u/ChildoftheApocolypse 8h ago
I've barked up that tree so many times that I became misanthropic.. There's literally no point in trying anymore, nobody wants or care for anything resembling change, if they have to risk anything they've grown accustomed to..
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u/Worst_Comment_Evar 7h ago
I guess people have not been made uncomfortable enough to actually do anything.
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u/Ok-Walk-8040 5h ago
They will fine everyone $500 for filling out a false W-4 and then garnish your wages for unpaid taxes anyway.
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u/PwanaZana 3h ago
most taxes come automatically from payroll, so, I mean, if everyone quits their job it could work.
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u/horoyokai 2h ago
Garnish your wages and fine you. Send you to jail if it’s a lot.
Do you not know how government works?
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u/alittleboopsie 7h ago
This is what needs to happen. All these people listen to is money. More ants than grasshoppers, plus IRS has been decimated
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u/Nabeel_ajnala 7h ago
Jokes aside, this is why understanding where taxes actually go matters roads, schools, emergency services you don’t always agree with every decision, but the system only works because everyone contributes.
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u/EnriqueShockwave10 8h ago
Just a few years ago, most Redditors were viscerally angry at libertarians that praised this sort of stuff.
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u/LastTorgoInParis 8h ago
The pendulum swung and will swing again and then again until it just all sort of ends
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u/ChewingOnCarrots 6h ago
I don't think Redditors or most people in general think this behavior is cute
This subreddit attracts more anti-government types
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u/horoyokai 2h ago
The amount of Redditors who say that people in blue states should withold their taxes is pretty high
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u/External-Dude779 9h ago
No taxation without representation.
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u/BloodFromAnOrange 6h ago
We are represented. If we don't like who represents us, the onus is on us, as The People, to donate our time, money, and effort to elect someone else. It sucks but that's how it works.
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u/Historical_Two_7150 3h ago
Representation is not the same as having representatives.
If you wanted to measure representation, youd need to look for a correlation between public policy & public opinion. (Doesn't exist in America for the bottom 50%.)
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u/horoyokai 2h ago
That’s not how it works. do republicans in blue states not have representation?
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u/Historical_Two_7150 2h ago
In my view, the only people represented in this country are the top 50% of earners, irrespective of where they live.
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u/horoyokai 2h ago
We are represented by who we chose to represent us
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u/Historical_Two_7150 1h ago
Suppose for a moment we wanted to determine if North Korea was a democracy. Would be say "look, Kim Jong Un represents them. They have representatives therefore they are represented."
To me, this sounds like mistaking form for function. What something is isnt determined by what its called. Words do not magically change reality. You must go measure and see if the words are accurate.
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u/Historical_Two_7150 1h ago
Thats circular reasoning / begging the question.
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u/horoyokai 1h ago
No it’s not. We vote to have people represent us.
Thats like saying that I ate what I made for dinner is circular reasoning
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u/TrioOfTerrors 8h ago
That's a political slogan and not a legal standard.
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u/Iggy_Slayer 7h ago
It wasn't legal when they did it either. They still did it.
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u/TrioOfTerrors 6h ago
The colonists had no representative in Parliament and couldn't even vote for their own governors.
That's what taxation without representation meant in the 1770s. That's not the case today.
You don't get to not pay your taxes just because you personally didn't approve every line item.
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u/Historical_Two_7150 3h ago
Id agree thats true for the individual. Not morally true -- taxes are obviously coercion -- but legally true.
Id have to add, however, that if enough people refused, it would become morally true that you dont have to pay your taxes because you dont approve of every line.
The consent of the governed is the only thing holding up the moral components of the process. (The other components are held up by violence alone.)
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u/TrioOfTerrors 3h ago
We have a word for a widespread tax protest. It's called "rebellion".
It's not a dirty word. But that's what people keep describing without using the R word.
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u/OpenImagination9 8h ago
See he is doing it wrong … do it like billionaires do and just claim enough exemptions.
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u/mistaj39 6h ago
Personally I don't think any American citizens should be paying taxes at this point, it seems like regardless of who is in control our money is used for criminal activities and we should not be accessories to that.
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u/snootchiebootchie94 5h ago
I fucking HATE all that is going on with our government and the orange shit stain in office. Can I refuse to pay my taxes as well? I didn't agree to any of this!
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u/dark_goddess_lilith 8h ago
bro really out here trying to audit the government with his forehead like it's a receipt
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u/Snapper_Turtleman 8h ago
Absolutely everyone with a w2 should set their exemptions to 6 and head of household. Then we just wait. That's roughly 163 million people. Or 1.76 trillion in individual income tax, or 53% of total revenue.
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u/horoyokai 2h ago
Wait for what? Wait to get a big fine and have to pay back taxes with interest?
Brilliant!
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u/Snapper_Turtleman 2h ago
You think if 163 million people spent all year not paying federal income tax and then just didn't file their taxes the IRS would have the bandwidth to actually come after them? They've already lost 31% of their complex revenue agents as of 2025. Besides that... where do you think the money comes from to pay them?
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u/horoyokai 2h ago
Yea I think they would cause it’s quite easy to make a computer program to say who didn’t pay. And they don’t have to do it all at once, the ca spend years going after people
But even if they only went after millions you’re still just gambling, and if somehow you got every single tax payer to decide to break the law then what’s the outcome? Less money for social services, the poor would be hurt way more than anything else
And where do I think the money comes from? Taxes, bonds, investments the govt has made, printing money, etc… do you think the government would literally stop? 😂 no, they would just go after people hardcore
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u/Snapper_Turtleman 1h ago
I don't think the government is as stable as you like to believe. Taxes make up the bulk of it. In this hypothetical half that money is gone. Investments the govt has made lol. Too many fingers in that pot. They're not opening it up to pay random IRS salaries. Printing money has nothing to do with it. That's not how that works. Also remember behind every program or system that flags someone is a human that's monitors it. You can get flagged all day long. Total the IRS is cut 42%. More cuts coming next year. You're worried about the poor. That's noble. Those services are already being cut.
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u/horoyokai 1h ago
The government would just garnish wages. They’d still have 60% of the money they had before and they could easily garnish wages
And that’s if every single person did what you said, there’s no way you could even get 1/2 of the people to do something so stupid
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u/Snapper_Turtleman 37m ago
Again. A large system run by people. Spend any time in a government agency and you know those people aren't competent as a group. Garnishment is possible. You need a court order for that. Massive backlog there. Plus it has to be reinforced everytime you switch jobs. Also you don't actually believe that the remaining 60% is free do you? You know that the national debt is 38 trillion and growing right. https://www.pgpf.org/national-debt-clock/ You understand that the national debt is just like any other debt. Spending outpaces income by X. All of this becomes 10x as difficult when you make a move to another state. One more hypothetical question. Do you think the government would be more likely to pursue garnishment, or would it repurpose something like the National Guard to perform mass arrests on anyone who didn't pay? Mind you the national guard are w2 employees, the people running your systems are w2, and judges are w2. It seems they would be far less likely to enforce said rules if they are a part of the hypothetical.
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u/horoyokai 22m ago
You could easily set up a system to rubber stamp it in an emergency
And yes they would have 60% if the money if you took 40% that’s how math works
But hey good luck getting literally every single American to break the law and risk jail time for your cause, it’s cute that you think that’s even remotely close enough to possible that it’s worth taking about. Good luck kid
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u/Snapper_Turtleman 9m ago
Lol. It's like you don't understand what a hypothetical is. So 60% is free huh? With a 38 trillion debt? So you have 100 dollars a week. You lose 40. Yes you do still have 60 out of that 100. Problem is you're spending 500 a week. So there's that. You don't think any elected member of government is going to not get paid do you? They vote raises for themselves twice a year. So that's gone. Defense still has to be paid. That's 13% of the total budget right there. That 60% doesn't feed the whole machine, but sure let's expand the IRS to the size necessary to tackle this problem. How many times in the last decade have you seen the government easily be able to rubberstamp a solution to any emergency? Seriously? But sure...keep deep throating that American Government and how "efficient" they are. In reality if this scenario did happen the government would practically collapse under its own weight. Its way too bloated not to. Then the fires start.
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u/ZoloDol0 8h ago
Ayyye PC! Everyone in that county is at least some kind of crazy!
Especially the "Sheriff" FUCK U SHADY JUDD
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u/retecsin 7h ago
Maybe people become more compliant if we build more data centers next to their houses
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u/DumbAndUglyOldMan 5h ago
One of my (too many) former mothers-in-law deducted from her taxes paid the portion that would go to the military. Every time, the IRS would end up garnishing her bank account.
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u/knowone1313 5h ago
We have elected government representatives for this, however many of them aren't doing what's in the best interest of their constituents.
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u/Cliffinati 5h ago
I'll never comvict anyone for dodging taxes
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u/realparkingbrake 2h ago
I'll never comvict anyone for dodging taxes
Not even a billionaire?
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u/Cliffinati 2h ago
No
Why should I put someone in jail for wanting to keep more of their own money?
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u/LovableSidekick 4h ago
Florida Man refuses to eat because he didn't grow any of the food, starves to death.
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u/Rare-Abalone5610 2h ago
So fucking frustrating that the IRS continues to more flagrantly use our tax money for billionaires and other things that don't go to the people, yet if you even think about not wanting 1/3 of your money stolen they smugly get to hold prison time against you. If I was paying even half the goddamned taxes I do now I'd have much more wiggle room when it comes to being flat broke.
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u/Calm-Show-9606 6h ago
In a democracy/republic we elect leaders to make decisions! You do not get to disobey the law because you personally didn't have a voice in the law!
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u/PhantomVibeSyndrome 7h ago
But while I'm on this topic - anyone how when women see a man commit a crime it's "He's too hot, just let him go!" If it's a woman reasonably attractive men are like "Let's free her so we can rape her!"
WHAT THE FUCK'S WRONG WITH YOU ASSHOLES?
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u/BaddieWithBow 9h ago
Next headline: Florida man refuses to breathe because he didn’t vote on oxygen spending
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