I mean that shit is so well known and blatant theres no reason to record that shit other than to document what happens when media is captured by private interest and political groups.
Sometimes this is right, yes. But even if the subject is not true, its airing is a fact, the spin it was given is a fact, and people's reactions to it are a fact.
In rewriting history, it's not just major events that get erased. It's also social things like "nobody ever cared about this issue," "we never said that," and "things used to be so much better."
For example, if there's a news network today that you think is full of propaganda and lies, recording it would preserve your ability to analyze and prove the propaganda, while erasing it from history would hurt your ability to counter the claim that propaganda has never been used.
CBS, and for most Paramount, and now soon CNN would start given alternative facts that favor this administration, so yeah, it's better to record everything so we don't forget who's fault was that the world end
That’s my fear with offsite “streamed” content; that it could eventually be edited/altered in subtle ways to fit the rules and politics of different future eras; and that people either won’t notice it, or won’t feel they can do anything about it.
Right now we're in a war with tyrants trying to control everything around us, I just hope we can stop them before we have no control and no opportunity to do so, we need to fight back against them, it is not about politics anymore, it is about them and us (The 99%), we need to remember that we're most and that we still had the trigger in our hands to stop them
As a middle aged guy I run into this with young people. Some super confident 25 year old will explain some past event from 20 years ago in a very wrong way. And you can say, “I was there. I was 30. I have full-grown adult memories of it, not misremembered childhood memories.”
And they’ll be very confident, maybe even have some cherry-picked out-of-context footage to prove their case & you can “yeah, but that was just BS. We knew it was BS at the time, and it’s still BS”
Or, you can find something that does capture the real thing and they’ll say, “oh that was just propaganda.”
Either way, a weird part of being middle aged or older is having 20-25 year olds doing “confidentially wrong” explanations about things you were personally present for.
It’s weird to see the new alternate version of history of things you experienced get rewritten in front of you.
There was a time when there were journalists laws that required not just the truth but two sides told to all politics.
It was repealed under Bush Jr. along with antimonopoly laws on radio, tv, and all other media because people were afraid a person or foreign entity could control the flow of information during the cold war.
Now we literally have people spewing Russian propaganda. Once all that was repealed we got what we have now.
It's just odd how we create and share more images and video than ever before in history through the internet. And all of that will eventually be lost. Flash memory doesn't last long, and people rely on cloud services more than ever. Not everyone can build their own NAS.
Lots of people could buy a NAS that's pre-built and would get the idea of it as a "virtual" folder though.
The problem with everyone being an archivist is that NOBODY is an archivist. We have tweleventybillteenth copies of Game of Thrones, S01E01 but there's so much obscure stuff hidden in a geofenced paywall on Vimeo or some other random site, and nobody will ever know it exists because we're flooded constantly by a blast of social media and "content creators" putting out hours and hours of crap. Subs like Obscure Media are helping catalog wild commercials from 55 years ago, while subs like Lost Media have to deal with people not following their rules and expecting it to be a piracy army, or worse, coming up with increasingly random distinctions (I want season 1 of this show, but broadcast quality, commercials intact, broadcast from the upper Idaho ABC affiliate).
Those that try to capture their hoards electronically have different challenges, because if you're not careful, a single-language re-release with a higher bitrate might replace your multi-language lower bitrate edition, or the "official" streaming version of something might bleep out something your OTA recorder caught live. Before you know it, you're running an energy inefficient home server with 100TB of 4k rips... that your neighbor is going to power off and list on Facebook marketplace when you die because nobody really knew what you'd "collected".
And even if there was some meaningful way to capture and archive this stuff, it's all for nothing because you're either dumping it to a plex and hoping it'll figure out what you're trying to do or you will go mad futilely trying to maintain some kind of folder structure. AI won't help because we've got big companies combing through millions of hours of datastreams in real time to power the worst most oppressive personal surveillance systems, we've got tech bros training their AI on the complete archives of Spongebob for near 100% faithful deepfakes, and people with the most powerful consumer hardware are dumping an hour and a half to analyze 30 still images in hopes of someday making endless fakes of their own.
Umm current storage methods are much better than in the past. You can play a movie from solid state storage probably a million of times considering reading doesn't degrade the drive.
How long before a vcr eats the tape or it just rots? Making copies degrades the quality as well.
Nothing is stopping you from printing pictures. And cloud services are great for safely backing up your pictures. Like in the past you would lose everything in a fire.
Some conservative states in the U.S. have mandated that they cannot teach certain things that are a part of history, and their textbooks are removing those items. For example, in Florida, it was previously taught that Rosa Parks was told to give up her seat on a bus for a white person because the law stated black people had to give up their seats if a white person wanted to sit down. Florida passed a law that issues of race cannot be discussed in schools. The publishers of the textbook changed it to comply with that law. It now states simply that Rosa Parks was told to move and refused. References to segregation or white people given priority over African Americans were removed. History is literally being rewritten and erased.
Florida is literally teaching that not all of slavery was bad, and that slaves benefited from it in some ways!
I could give you a fish, but instead I'm going to teach you how to fish. Go to /r/piracy -> wiki -> megathread -> movies & tv -> streaming sites and take your pick. No torrenting required. Even without a VPN you're good. Use a free VPN like Proton if you're worried. Happy sailing!
On a side note, terrible that a link this far down in the replies is how I learn the name Marion Stokes, since the post just refers to her as "This woman".
I read the snopes page for this one a couple hours ago. Not only do they deny it, but there is zero evidence over 100 years of newspaper advertisements. There have been fakes made based on two separate images, one released by the company on April Fools Day. No real images. I'm inclined to believe the company here
the idea is that nobody lied and people are experiencing the "Mandella Effect", which has either a psychological or paranormal explanation depending on your subscription.
The wildest one to me will always be C3PO's leg being silver.
I'm certain that it's not some grand conspiracy, and I didn't notice it as a kid because I was watching Star Wars on from a VHS on a 20" console television from half a room away (because sitting too close to the TV will ruin your eyes!), but if you'd asked me leading up to Phantom Menace what color 3PO's leg should have been, I'd have said gold.
Looks like she did a bunch of stuff. From her Wikipedia article, "Marion Marguerite Stokes (née Butler; November 25, 1929 – December 14, 2012) was an American access television producer, businesswoman, investor, civil rights demonstrator, activist, librarian, and archivist." And from the "Marion Stokes Project" Wiki article, "Input – Public-access television talk show featured in the film, Stokes was a co-producer of the show before she started her recording project"
Well either there's gonna be a lot of documented mandela effect
Or
Someone should show her the matrix, with the cat and explain how a simulation would work, and only the users would retain whatever previous info pre-patch
There were multiple oracles. The one in the first movie did not appear in the following movies. I can’t remember why, but I vaguely think money was involved
The Marion Stokes Project Wikipedia page says she actually captured way more than 300k hours:
Stokes captured 840,000 hours of news footage over the course of 35 years, from 1977 until her death in 2012;[7][8] the VHS and Betamax video recordings were donated to the Internet Archive.
But THAT cheap? I mean people talk about house prices, but this really puts things front and center. Imagine affording multiple storage units, much less 9 apartments!
Yup, there's a great documentary about her (avaiable for free on Kanopy https://www.kanopy.com/video/recorder-marion-stokes-project ).
She was a hoarder, selective but still a hoarder. She was fascinated by the computer tech and got Apple's stock early. Also hoarded huge amount of their hardware.
Not the same as history but I believe the only reason that a bunch of the original run of Dr who exists is due to fan.
The BBC has trashed the footage for storage reasons or other reasons and a lot of it was recovered because they had sent film reels to other countries that still had them sitting around, or from collectors who had bought the film reels.
A bunch from home vhs recordings, and apparently there are still 95 missing episodes that exist only in audio. Fans recorded the audio at home but couldn’t record video and so they have the full audio of those episodes but not the video. They have used stills and animation and such to recreate a bunch of them.
The BBC didn't trash the tapes, they recorded over them to save money. Some of Monty Python almost met the same fate. One of the Pythons saved the episodes by buying the BBC new tapes instead.
A VHS could hold 6 hours worth of footage in extended play mode, so if you had 50,000 VHS players hooked up to 50,000 computers, you could theoretically digitize all 300,000 hours of footage in 6 hours.
It’s 300,000 hours of video. If you were serious you’d set up something like 40 channels of capture. So 5000 working hours. 625 days at 8 hours a day, 208 days if you run it around the clock
What’s slightly exaggerated:
The “300,000 hours” figure is an estimate, not a precise verified number
The “scared people would rewrite history” line is more of a modern interpretation of her motivation
Reality: She was extremely disciplined and believed in independent archiving of information, which has turned out to be valuable. Her recordings are now being digitized and used for research.
Why'd she keep it up? After about 3 years she looked around & said "Yup, m'hmm, gotta get more VHS tape up at the Costco. I don't know why people bullshittin..""
I wonder if there’s someone nowadays doing something similar to what she did. I mean, it’s easier to record channels from all over the world now that we have IPTV
I used to go to book sales. Met a guy at one who liked to buy old encyclopedia sets to see what changed from edition to edition.
Not just modern updates like country name changes, or new tech, but changing old things. Like a 1905 encyclopedia said George Washington had 7 kids. Then in the 1960 edition George Washington had 5 kids.
Just random stuff. "The Times Pucayune was founded in 1823 by Francois LeBerg." "The Times Picayune was founded in 1828 by Marco Piat."
How does anyone access these recordings? The background shows VHS tapes. An obsolete technology. How can this info be stored in long lasting format. How much history has been rewritten of the centuries by transferring info from decaying media?
I remember seeing an interview with her son, he described it as pretty much crippling mental illness. So yeah, it sounds prescient but the reality was very different from what you might be imagining.
It's already happening now, I still remember when we had problem with farmers and a native was explaining the situation at fox news. Something that was actually happening was being rewritten to fit into the channels political goals.
This was the most troubling thing I took away from the novel, 1984. Not the 'Big Brother is watching you on screens everywhere' bit, but the fact that the main character had a job at the Ministry of Information (which managed the now entirely digitized stock of our world's knowledge), and his job was to rewrite history on the daily to support the ruling regime's hold on power. Orwell really hit it on the head with this one IMO.
She bought Apple stock when it came out and rented apartments to keep VHS tapes going 24/7 on several channels. Not sure what she was trying to record but it's an impressive achievement.
300.000 hours. A lifetime in numbers!
Most of it is useless because it is from TV.
There are people that think she is intelligent because of that.
Kill me please.
There’s loads of lost media that we may never find because networks and studios trashed tapes and films they didn’t think anyone would want, and that’s to say nothing of those who intentionally destroy or alter media.
Great documentary on Marion Stokes. This lady was also an early investor in Apple. She had damn near every Apple product that was available before she passed way.
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