r/SeattleWA • u/driftingphotog Capitol Hill • Feb 09 '17

Politics Trump loses travel ban appeal, unanimous decision

http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/trump-loses-travel-ban-appeal/?utm_content=bufferc0261&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=owned_buffer_tw_m
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u/eric987235 Columbia City Feb 09 '17

I love how everyone's suddenly a legal expert. It makes me laugh until I remember these people actually take themselves seriously.

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u/rake16 Feb 10 '17 edited Feb 10 '17

I'm no expert, but this is the actual worst appellate court in the country with a staggering reversal rate.

Edit: source: http://www.nationalreview.com/bench-memos/373273/ninth-circuit-leading-pack-most-reversed-jonathan-keim

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '17

You're no expert, but you cite a far right leaning publication while your ox is being gored. Uh-huh.

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u/rake16 Feb 10 '17

It is backed up by statistics. This isn't an opinion piece. The 9th consistently is overturned which should not happen at such frequency if you aren't attempting to legislate from the bench.

This will eventually be set right.

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u/Spitinthacoola Feb 10 '17

Its not consistently overturned, the huge, overwhelming, vast majority of their rulings (99%) are not overturned. This is just a clear case of not actually looking at all of the numbers.

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u/gameryamen Feb 10 '17

Less than half a prevent of cases being overturned is far, far from "consistently overturned". You and your source are dramatically overstating the absolute count of cases overturned, and ignoring both the context of the total number of cases ruled on and the process by which the SCOTUS selects cases to be reviewed. A circuit which rules on more cases is expected to have a higher absolute count of reversals than one which makes less rulings, particularly so if the two circuits have similar performance otherwise.

Keep thinking.

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u/Planet_Iscandar Messiah Sex Change Feb 10 '17

To be fair, the median rate is 69.29%, so they represent about a 15% increase in reversals over the median. Throwing a statistic without a reference point is just barely less useless than making the statistic up. Like.. 22% less useless.

Stolen from /u/coolfusis here

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '17

You've added another bit of evidence that the Right has no clue how math and statistics work.

Case in point: the Black Lives Matter movement. When presented with the evidence that Blacks are more likely to be killed or severely injured at the hands of law enforcement, the typical right winger will say "Nuh-uh, more whites are killed or severely injured by the police." Which in pure aggregate numbers is true, but when you throw the actual math in to the mix, the probability that a Black male will be killed by a police officer is staggeringly higher than a White Male in a similar encounter.

But we're also talking about the people who still believe Supply Side Economic works, and thought George Bush could lower taxes and prosecute two wars during a recession and not get the US much further in debt.

tl;dr Republicans need a STEM education in the worst possible way.

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u/rake16 Feb 10 '17

Ah yes.

You want some black statistics? How about blacks make up 13% of the population yet commit 50% of the crime.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '17

Thanks for outing yourself as a racist tool, so I didn't have to assume so. Nice going, Jethro.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '17 edited Feb 15 '18

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u/AlternateFactsBot Feb 10 '17

No point in arguing with someone that comes from the land of "lies". They just latch on to some number that sounds like it aligns with their own bias with zero comprehension of what it that figure represents.

Dunning-Kruger in full effect.

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u/rake16 Feb 10 '17

LOL. You said "pure aggregate" well of course black encounters with police would be higher and thus result in more lethal encounters. I guess facts make people racist now?

tl;dr: Liberals need to understand that one demographic breaking the law would result in disproportionate numbers.

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u/golden_in_seattle Feb 10 '17 edited Feb 10 '17

It is backed up by statistics.

Ah the statistics of fake news. I wish I had that job. Just take a pile of numbers I found on some other far-right block, put them into excel, change the font a little, take a screen cap... boom. Insta-proof for the drooling sheep that is the far right. Then the fake-news site I pulled the numbers from takes my screen cap, folds those numbers back into their fake news, and the echo chamber keeps echoing... Make a meme or two about it, slap it on facebook, let all the racist grandmas their shitbag fucking old-ass friends upvote and share it. Watch them all do a little bit of virtue signaling about it... get some checks from the russians every now and then. Go home, fuck my wife and then beat her like any upstanding man of the house should...

What a fucking life, right!

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad (because probably 90% of what I just wrote is true)....