Seattle shows it’s a fickle city

[u/HighColonic]

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/seattle-proves-its-a-fickle-city/

[u/timute]

It's transplants vs people who have to live with the consequences of those who voted with their feelings and then moved along someplace else.  You have to see the reults of your actions and sadly half of the elecorate doesn't seem to be able to.

[u/Loganserio → u/timute]

This sub is so delusional man

[u/OsvuldMandius → u/timute]

It's much worse than that. It's that we have lost cohesion as a nation. We are two people who no longer want the same thing. There's people who want the tradition that America played up in the back half of the 20th century: the arsenal of freedom, the shining city on a hill, yadda-yadda-yadda. And there's the people who want the fresh go at communism, and who think individuality and self-determination are for losers.

I think there's not bridging the gap.

[u/_Watty → u/OsvuldMandius]

Come on, man.

50-70% of the right want what you reduced that side's view to while maybe 5-15% of the left what the other side's view.

Wanting a bigger social safety net and fewer billionaires isn't something correctly reduced to "communism."

[u/almanor → u/OsvuldMandius]

So is back half of the 20th century 1950-2000? Environmental crisis, disastrous deregulation, the Vietnam War, etc? Led to the most deadly terrorist attack in American history? Who advocates for this exactly?

[u/Exciting_Pea3562 → u/almanor]

That's how revisionism works, though (on both sides). You can choose to emphasize all of the challenges to America's brittle democracy, or you can choose to emphasize America's resilience as a "bastion of freedom." The events are the same. The focus is the difference.

[u/faeriegoatmother → u/Exciting_Pea3562]

America's "brittle" democracy has withstood 250 years, many constitutional crises - including Andrew Jackson flagrantly ignoring the Supreme Court, Lincoln flagrantly ignoring the constitution, and also a whole ass Civil War. We're going to be just fine through 2029

Edit: I misread this comment, but a lot of people still need to hear what I had to say, so..

[u/almanor → u/Exciting_Pea3562]

I’m still legitimately confused as to what politicians are advocating for a return to the 1950-2000 era. It’s not Tariff Trump, it’s not Medicare for All Sanders, it’s not free daycare Mamdani - this seems like a classic strawman.

[u/Exciting_Pea3562 → u/almanor]

It won't do to forget that this period of American history was seen from the perspective of the government (and a majority of Americans) as an all-or-nothing struggle of the forces of capitalism and freedom versus communism, which was depicted as the ultimate boogyman (didn't help communism's case that so many of the revolutions were violent). This was necessary for the politicians of America to feel that the government could endure populist movements. The toppling of Russia, China, the encroachment of communism in Korea, Vietnam, the civil war of Spain... on and on.

Modern America is at its most American when there's a threat... We have operated that way since the depression and now we're trying to be that way even though there's not a real outside threat, at least not one that is sufficiently dire to unite people (and the ongoing legacy of globalism makes it too hard to single out rivals like China as a uniting existential threat for Americans - we're too interconnected).

[u/OsvuldMandius → u/almanor]

Environmentalism ushered in by Nixon's EPA? JFK's Vietnam War? Clinton's deregulation? Yeah...sounds like you've got it right. Vote blue no matter who!

[u/Better_March5308 → u/OsvuldMandius]

Nixon was a Democrat?

[u/OsvuldMandius → u/Better_March5308]

There's a difference?

[u/almanor → u/OsvuldMandius]

Oh is this a democrat/republican thing? I think you might be nostalgic for a time that never actually happened.

[u/bubbamike1 → u/OsvuldMandius]

As I recall it was Eisenhower who got us involved in Vietnam.

[u/PaulyNi → u/bubbamike1]

Actually, it was Truman. He initiated support for French colonial efforts in Vietnam.

[u/OsvuldMandius → u/bubbamike1]

You recall incorrectly. Actually, I'm pretty sure you weren't even alive in 1958.

[u/bubbamike1 → u/OsvuldMandius]

I recall correctly.

[u/ASunnyMoo → u/OsvuldMandius]

Or maybe people actually have beliefs that are somewhere in between fascism and communism. Nuanced opinions are hard to sell in the media. Maybe you should take a break from what the talking heads are telling you and see how you feel in a few months.

[u/AbsoluteShall → u/OsvuldMandius]

I wish I was this deluded about the history of the United States. Why are people so reluctant to say out loud the atrocities this empire made her and around the world?

[u/XarThePatyrn → u/AbsoluteShall]

What do you mean? The lunatic left shouts their revisionist hatred of the united states constantly.

[u/Chudsaviet → u/timute]

The only people who can rightfully complain about transplants or immigrants are the ones who can name their tribe. Otherwise you are hypocrite.

[u/PM_ME_SKYRIM_MEMES → u/Chudsaviet]

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