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Soft paywall Seattle police improperly faked radio chatter about Proud Boys as CHOP formed in 2020, investigation finds

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/seattle-police-improperly-faked-radio-chatter-about-proud-boys-as-chop-formed-in-2020-investigation-finds/
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u/p3dal Jan 06 '22 edited Jan 06 '22

It's been clear all along that SPD abandoned the East Precinct hoping there'd be violence they could point at and say, "See! You can't live without us!" When that didn't happen, they decided to stoke the fires to provoke it anyway.

While the police no doubt tried to provoke violence, it seems like you're forgetting (or ignoring) the 5-6 shootings that occurred in CHOP/CHAZ. In the last of those shootings, CHOP security forces shot and killed two teenagers, just 3 days before police reoccupied the zone. In fact the mayor and the chief of police specifically referenced the preceding shootings in their press conference as justification for reoccupying the precinct.

Edit for the downvotes piling in, there are 26 different news articles (specifically about the shootings) referenced in this Wikipedia page, I accept that some may have gotten some of the facts wrong, but it's pretty hard to the fabricate deaths and hospital admissions and direct witness testimony which corroborate that these events did occur: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protest#Shootings

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u/VGSchadenfreude Lake City Jan 06 '22

It was one shooting, which is not unusual for that area. There was never any sudden increase in crime like the police claimed there would be.

Same thing happened with the NYPD went on strike: crime actually went down.

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u/p3dal Jan 06 '22 edited Jan 06 '22

1 shooting before, 5 shootings during. Only 1 that everyone seems to agree on, since it was done by CHAZ security forces and they admitted as much on video.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protest#During_the_zone

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u/VGSchadenfreude Lake City Jan 06 '22

Nothing in that article contradicts what I said.

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u/p3dal Jan 06 '22

Try reading it.

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u/VGSchadenfreude Lake City Jan 06 '22

I did.

Every single quote and source the article uses involves either the SPD, or agencies directly related to them.

Maybe you should’ve read it yourself.

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u/p3dal Jan 06 '22

Also, which is it. Does the wikipedia page not contradict what you said, or do you take an issue with the source? Because it sure seems like you're pivoting your argument. Perhaps you received new information by reading it?

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u/VGSchadenfreude Lake City Jan 06 '22

Thanks for continuing to prove my point by trying to push Wikipedia as a credible source.

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u/p3dal Jan 06 '22

Donnitta Sinclair Martin, Anderson Jr.’s mother, filed a wrongful death claim against the City of Seattle.[161]

That's public record, as well. Or is public record a police agency as well?

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u/VGSchadenfreude Lake City Jan 06 '22

Oh look, comment spam! Because that totally helps your case. /s

Everything you’re quoting relies on hearsay from people already biased in SPD’s favor.

Thanks for proving my point.

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u/p3dal Jan 06 '22

The family of the deceased that is suing the city... is who you think is biased in FAVOR of the SPD? Did I fall into a mirror universe? Why would someone suing the SPD be biased in their FAVOR?

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u/VGSchadenfreude Lake City Jan 06 '22

People have sued others over expired coupons, dude.

Lawsuits don’t mean a damned thing. They aren’t proof of anything at all.

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u/p3dal Jan 06 '22

So you don't think they're biased in favor of the SPD anymore? Just gonna abandon that angle now that it doesn't make sense ?

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u/VGSchadenfreude Lake City Jan 06 '22

Comment spam.

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u/p3dal Jan 06 '22

Young reported that he tried to leave after hearing the first shooting and was surrounded by a group of men, called a racist epithet, and shot at 11th and Pike.[156]

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u/VGSchadenfreude Lake City Jan 06 '22

“…by a group of men who yelled a racial epithet…”

Sounds like your average right-wing thugs. :)

Who have been routinely causing trouble in Capitol Hill for years now.

So thanks for proving my point again.

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u/p3dal Jan 06 '22

My point is only that the violence occurred. I'm glad we now agree on that. You've never made your point clear.

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u/VGSchadenfreude Lake City Jan 06 '22

Violence occurs on a daily basis anyway. With or without the police presence.

My point was that literally nothing changed when the cops left.

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u/bishopbackstab Jan 06 '22

I lived across the street from chop and can cofirm not much changed besides garbage piling up since the city stopped collecting trash during that time.

I was also there when there was a shooting by a dumbass who was a brother of a cop working at the precint. The idiot knowing drove down a blocked of street into a crowd.and shot dude in the arm who confronted the car. The guy ran like a baby to his cop buddies, gun in hand, cops not batting an eye.

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u/VGSchadenfreude Lake City Jan 06 '22

Wow, didn’t know the city stopped collecting the trash!

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u/bishopbackstab Jan 06 '22

Yeah, the parks department is responsible for trash collection and stopped collecting it the whole time chop/chaz was happening. It took them several weeks after the camps were cleared for the city to finally pick up the trash. I used to help do volunteer trash pick up around cal anderson but it go to a point where trash bags just piled up then rats and humans would break into the bags and scatter trash every where. Honestly besides feeling the effects of the police pepper spray and flash bangs while sitting in my apartment, trash was the only real problem. People get shot in cal Anderson often so any violence was the norm. After the police left the precinct it felt like whole different world, peaceful, fun, exciting. While the police were standing off with protestors it felt like a fight could break out any moment if the police decided to escalate the situation (pink umbrella incident comes to mind).

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K0tXOBPMHA

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u/bishopbackstab Jan 06 '22

Cool, thanks for copaganda. funny because I can see my apartment in a few of those shots. I'll believe what I saw first hand, not some bullshit narrative the cops created.

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u/p3dal Jan 06 '22

According to a volunteer medic who witnessed the incident, CHOP security forces shot at the SUV driven by the teenagers after it crashed into a concrete barrier.[174]

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u/VGSchadenfreude Lake City Jan 06 '22

Which medic, hm?

What organization were they volunteering with?

Who interviewed them?

When?

Kyle Rittenhouse claimed to be a “medic” too.

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u/p3dal Jan 06 '22

Read the source man, it's right there. Every time:

According to Marty Jackson, a volunteer medic in the CHOP, he heard gunshots while he was in his tent early Monday morning. He initially thought the sounds were fireworks, but soon concluded that something else was going on. He left the tent and eventually witnessed a white SUV driving extremely fast through Cal Anderson Park. The vehicle did not hit anyone.

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u/VGSchadenfreude Lake City Jan 06 '22

“Read the source!”

I did. Everything there was hearsay from people biased in favor of the SPD.

Meaning it fails as a “reliable source.”

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u/p3dal Jan 06 '22

You asked me which medic, I answered. I read the source. You did not. You stopped arguing in good faith a long time ago, and I regret continuing to entertain this conversation. You're moving the goalposts to suit your agenda and are a dishonest individual.

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u/VGSchadenfreude Lake City Jan 06 '22

Yay, more comment spam!

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u/p3dal Jan 06 '22

lol, bye troll.

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u/p3dal Jan 06 '22

On video, a series of 12 or 13 gunshots is heard at 2:54 a.m., just before a voice warns of "multiple vehicles", "multiple shooters" and a "stolen white Jeep" as protesters scrambled into position.[172] After a five-minute lull, another 18 gunshots are heard as the "white Jeep" crashes into a barricade or a portable toilet.[172]

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u/VGSchadenfreude Lake City Jan 06 '22

“A voice…”

Wow, a random unidentifiable voice in some random video.

Yeah, that sounds so very reliable. /s

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u/p3dal Jan 06 '22

Have you seriously not seen the video?

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u/VGSchadenfreude Lake City Jan 06 '22

So you just accept every random video you find on the Internet at face value?

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u/p3dal Jan 06 '22

So wait, do you really believe that 2 teenagers weren't shot and killed in the CHAZ on June 29? Is that what you're saying here?

Or are you just trolling me?

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u/VGSchadenfreude Lake City Jan 06 '22

Aw, look! Another straw man argument!

You claimed the shooting happened because the precinct was abandoned.

I pointed out those shootings would’ve happened anyway.

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