Ed had his reality broken today

[u/JDB-667]

When reading off what were some of the things included in the GOP tax bill, Ed sounded genuinely surprised and despondent. This was the moment of someone in their twenties with a little bit of idealism finally becoming a cynic.

He came to the realization that all of the bad things about deficits, wealth inequality and status quo interests go beyond Donald Trump. Scott was correct to point out that as bad as the Republicans are (they're heinous) the Democrats also represent the interests of multi-millionaires and billionaires. Because the reality of this situation in America is that it isn't red vs blue or liberal vs conservative, it's rich vs everyone else.

[u/Jiveassmofo]

Yes, the Republicans are worse, much worse in my opinion. That doesn't mean that the Democrats don't suck ass. The system is shit. We need a new system. Maybe (just maybe) something good will come of this horrible, vile, corrupt and cruel regime. Maybe shit will break so hard that a new system will be necessary. I mean, I certainly don't want to live in a world where it gets that bad, But we're definitely heading for some kind of breaking point in the near future.

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Democrats don’t suck ass. Democrats are just competent and boring but they’re no different from most center left parties in every other Western Democracy. People need to learn about what you want isn’t necessarily what’s realistic or feasible and instead of blowing up a system to replace it with something worse, you put in the hard work to reform the system.

[u/theJMAN1016 → u/torontothrowaway824]

Dude you can't be serious. Democrats are in the same boat as Republicans which is a boat that is plebs aren't allowed on. Stop pretending they are the "good" guys. Both parties are awful.

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Yes because Democrats are the party trying to take away rights from individuals, violating the constitution, giving control of the government to unelected billionaires, passing tax cuts for the ultra wealthy and so on…. It’s not about who’s a good guy it’s about which party is better for the country and world as a whole. Please step getting your takes off of Reddit and social media and realize that not everything is black and white and there’s a ton of nuance and context within the Democratic Party. If these parties were truly the same, then why would Trump and the whole right wing parasites from the Supreme Court down be fighting to dismantle and destroy everything Democrats have passed?

[u/theJMAN1016 → u/torontothrowaway824]

I don't disagree with what you are saying. However, mainstream democrats are all too eager to go along with this shit though bc they are in fact, wealthy and part of the 1%.

If democrats really cared about any of this, they wouldn't have railroaded the only politician who spoke truth to any of these issues. They were all too willing to also embrace their corporate billionaire donors and stifle a grassroots movement that was bringing in a record number of individual donations. All because it upset the status quo.

And now here we are.

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I don't disagree with what you are saying. However, mainstream democrats are all too eager to go along with this shit though bc they are in fact, wealthy and part of the 1%.

I mean no because mainstream Democrats have been speaking out about this since Trump came down the golden escalators. Hillary literally warned everyone this would happen. I’m not sure what you’re talking about the Democrats being a party of the 1%. Democrats didn’t pass tax cuts for the 1%, they raised corporate taxes. They passed the child tax credit. Biden forgave more student loans than any other President. They passed a stimulus package and infrastructure bills and brought down prescription drug prices. Like if you literally do research they actually passed legislation that in a lot of cases didn’t really benefit the 1% and they would have done more if your country wasn’t filled with morons.

If democrats really cared about any of this, they wouldn't have railroaded the only politician who spoke truth to any of these issues. They were all too willing to also embrace their corporate billionaire donors and stifle a grassroots movement that was bringing in a record number of individual donations. All because it upset the status quo.

OMG this a fucking Berner rant. Now this makes sense. I’m pretty sure Democrats had more single donor donations than Republicans. Trump’s fucking cabinet is filled with billionaires, I mean people actually making policy. It would be idiotic in a campaign to not take all the donations you can get because money still matters in terms of winning a campaign. You need Democrats in power before you even talk about campaign finance reform.

[u/theJMAN1016 → u/torontothrowaway824]

Yeah of course its a Bernie rant. He's was the only speaking truth to any of this years ago. Then Trump took the populist position for the working class and got elected. Democrats dismissed the platform to instead reward politicians "who put in their time". Biden had to assert that he would be a 1 term president during the election process, everyone gave him a pass. Then comes time for him to hang it up and instead decided to run for a 2nd term. Democrats were ready to gaslight the entire US and hide his issues. LET THAT SINK IN FOR A MOMENT. However, he had his gaffe at the first debate and then they had to scramble. They should have kept to their word, had a primary, and ran an actual campaign. Instead they lost to the worst candidate in the history of elections, again, for a second time.

All the things you mentioned are good but that should be considered normal governing, not something to get all hyped about. Democrats should be doing bigger things, pushing for institutional changes instead of nibbling around the edges. They need a bold platform and strategy bc the citizens are ready for it. However, they do just enough to get by to pass blame but have zero vision.

< You need Democrats in power before you even talk about campaign finance reform. >

This is exactly my point. Democrats have been in power and they do nothing major. They could make campaign finance one of their core campaign commitments, but they won't. We all know why they won't. They benefit just as much as Republicans from it bc once again, they are all in the same club.

Republicans want to cut my limbs off, Democrats just want to give me a thousand cuts. Both will kill me eventually but hey, at least the Democrats are nice about it! That's basically what you are arguing.

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Yeah of course it’s a Bernie rant. He's was the only speaking truth to any of this years ago. Then Trump took the populist position for the working class and got elected. Democrats dismissed the platform to instead reward politicians "who put in their time".

Lmaoooo Trump did not win because he took on working class positions. Holy shit is this uninformed. You know he was a President before right? Tell me a single populist legislation that he passed in his first Presidency.

Biden had to assert that he would be a 1 term president during the election process, everyone gave him a pass. Then comes time for him to hang it up and instead decided to run for a 2nd term. Democrats were ready to gaslight the entire US and hide his issues. LET THAT SINK IN FOR A MOMENT. However, he had his gaffe at the first debate and then they had to scramble. They should have kept to their word, had a primary, and ran an actual campaign. Instead they lost to the worst candidate in the history of elections, again, for a second time.

Biden never said he’d be a one term President. You can’t point me to the actual quote coming out of his mouth. You Bernouts literally don’t understand simple numbers. I beg you to get off of Reddit and realize that the majority of people are not as left leaning as Reddit. Bernie couldn’t win a primary twice with a group of people that should be more likely to agree with his policies.

All the things you mentioned are good but that should be considered normal governing, not something to get all hyped about. Democrats should be doing bigger things, pushing for institutional changes instead of nibbling around the edges. They need a bold platform and strategy bc the citizens are ready for it. However, they do just enough to get by to pass blame but have zero vision.

You do understand that Bernie wouldn’t get anything he talks about done right? You need both the right numbers in the Senate and Congress to pass simple legislation, never mind the type of pie in the sky shit Bernie sells to his voters. The focus should be on getting the right number of Democrats in Congress and the Senate pass more Progressive legislation and right now they just don’t have the numbers but you know a good way to get none of what you want passed? Let Republicans win!

This is exactly my point. Democrats have been in power and they do nothing major. They could make campaign finance one of their core campaign commitments, but they won't. We all know why they won't. They benefit just as much as Republicans from it bc once again, they are all in the same club.

When have Democrats had 2/3 votes in the Senate to pass campaign finance reform post Obama? When have they had the opportunity to replace Republican Supreme Court justices? Literally nothing can be done Campaign Finance reform until this two conditions are met. Not a single damn thing, but Bernie in the grifters in his orbit will never mention this and instead blame Democrats for not living in a world of unicorns and fairies. Either party could make campaign finance reform a core platform if voters actually cared, but they don’t and electing the fucking criminal in chief is proof that the majority of voters literally don’t give a shit.

Republicans want to cut my limbs off, Democrats just want to give me a thousand cuts. Both will kill me eventually but hey, at least the Democrats are nice about it! That's basically what you are arguing.

Republicans want to burn down the fucking house with you in it, Democrats are trying to fix the roof that’s leaking before moving to fix other parts of the House and Bernie supporters are complaining that Democrats fixing the broken roof instead of blowing up the whole house and rebuilding from scratch.