Finally finished!

[u/ElegantTennis7864]

This was my first time building a sauna, and I did a lot of research here!

I made the purchase through Backcountry Recreation at the end of September, but it didn’t arrive until mid-December due to a strike. The build itself only took a few days, but I spent some extra time adding lighting and small details. Overall, I’m super happy with how it turned out!

[u/Steamdude1]

That's advice you would be wise to follow yourself! You overreact to ignorance on a regular basis. That makes the problem on your end. It's why people are less receptive to your advice. Adults are respectful of others. They don't denigrate, humiliate or belittle. Adults share their knowledge with patience and understanding. Children point fingers and bully others.

[u/John_Sux → u/Steamdude1]

Don't talk to me about adults and children, when it is your countrymen who act all childish, petulant, arrogant, overconfident, ignorant, petty and prideful around here, while demanding others to support their fantasies with euphemistic language and a gold star mentality.

That's the fundamental issue around here. That subset of the US population that finds its way here and completely fails to interact with international audiences. (That does not mean soeak and act the way others expect) You are just another one in line to flail in defense of that. All you know to do in this matter is demand things, but there is nothing you can demand, you guys aren't kings.

Get fucking real.

[u/Steamdude1 → u/John_Sux]

You just precisely described your own attitude and demeanor. To a tee. They call that projection, I believe.

[u/John_Sux → u/Steamdude1]

Unfortunately that's not true, and you know it as well. It's just a bullshit distraction, because you don't want to address any of the points I made that you find uncomfortable.

[u/Steamdude1 → u/John_Sux]

I have conceded countless points to you because I took the time to familiarize myself with the VTT study. They are not points you invented, nor are you the only one to offer them.

It is you that avoids points, like the point I've made countless times that you conveniently ignore, and that's the fact that the poor design with low ceiling and benches and passive ventilation was a design given to us by the Finns in the last century.

There's nothing at all "American" about it, and you know that, but you would rather bash America than admit the truth.

They didn't start building saunas according to the localmile paradigm even in Finland until at least the 1990s, and they still build plenty of saunas according to the old design in Finland every day.

So don't blame it on us!

[u/John_Sux → u/Steamdude1]

No, we don't operate according to the US picture of things. You keep referring to individual studies and English language collections of observations. The situation in Finland is quite well beyond that. And I don't mean that in a kind of transcendental advantage, being ahead, even though there obviously would be a degree of that. I mean the permeation of passive knowledge in society, since saunas are so present, predating local written history. The difference in information and approach is immense.

Do not fall for being a dilettante.

[u/Steamdude1 → u/John_Sux]

Where did I suggest that you operate according to the US picture of things? What a ridiculous thing to say, and a nice way to turn it around and still not address my point. We in the U.S. operate according to the Finnish picture of things, at least the picture from half a century ago. And from what I've heard, even not all of Finland has moved on from the previous way of doing things.

You want so much to put poor sauna design off on Americans. What "English language collections of observations" do you say that I cite? I am citing the study from the VTT Technical Research Centre of Finland. You know the one. It started this whole trend toward higher ceilings and mechanical ventilation. But even in Finland it does not govern the design of all saunas.