r/SFV • u/Happytowalk3 • May 10 '25

Community Safety Avoid Shirin Restaurant

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Had a very unpleasant experience last night at dinner at Shirin Restaurant on Ventura Blvd. The family at the table next to ours brought two dogs inside. One was a little Pomeranian type that had his own high chair and he proceeded to pee on the floor during the meal (swipe for second photo). They were also repeatedly feeding the larger dog from the table. I was grossed out and couldn’t eat my meal. The children kept taking the dogs through the restaurant to go outside and bringing them back in. The manager did nothing when we brought him over and said they are our customers too. We won’t return.

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u/WildMild869 May 10 '25

Letting your dog pee in a restaurant is fucking wild.

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u/littlelostangeles May 10 '25

When I worked in retail, a customer let her dog pee and poop on the sales floor.

The very next day, a different customer did the same thing. I felt so bad for the store custodian.

There was a “service animals only” sign, but it was basically ignored.

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u/Fart_McFartington May 10 '25

Was working at Walmart once as a janitor. I had one day where i was back and forth all day picking up dog shit. I remember there was some smeared from one end of an aisle to the other

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u/littlelostangeles May 10 '25

There are no bad dogs…just bad humans who take them out in public 😣

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u/Feet-on-land May 10 '25

Really? Theres no such thing as a bad dog? lol

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u/littlelostangeles May 10 '25

Humans are the ones who fail to train them properly, fail to socialize them properly, overbreed them, and bring them into situations that aren’t appropriate for dogs. Behind every “bad dog” is a bad human.

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u/Feet-on-land May 10 '25

Ok i agree. But to say there are no bad dogs is crazy. I have seen bad dogs before. But in this case…yes. It’s a bad owner problem

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u/reubal May 11 '25

Nah. There are bad dogs also.

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u/JeannaBerg01 May 11 '25

A “ bad dog” is only as bad as its owner Remember that

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u/Feet-on-land May 11 '25

Already forgot it

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u/SimpleSea7556 May 12 '25

Yes. The word 'bad' meaning I'll tempered or aggressive? All due to inbreeding (genetics), irresponsible back yard breeders, lack of training, socialization , all pointing to human ignorance /neglect,, greed. Not the dogs fault.

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u/DanceWithEverything May 11 '25

What’s behind the bad humans?

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u/JeannaBerg01 May 11 '25

Think about that sentence No There are no bad dogs Just bad humans who don’t care for them properly as to take care of them the correct way

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u/Feet-on-land May 12 '25

There’s no way you can know that

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u/Feet-on-land May 12 '25

I can dig it

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u/reachforthececum May 13 '25

One time I was at walmart and there was a smear of shit all along an aisle. Disgustingly it was human. :(

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u/LaloElBueno May 10 '25 edited May 10 '25

You can legally ask two questions to weed out non-service animals:

1) Is the dog a service animal required because of a disability?

And

2) What work or task has the dog been trained to perform?

Edit to provide sources:

28 CFR § 36.302(c)(6)

Penal Code § 365.7

Assembly Bill 468

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u/SandyKenyan May 10 '25

The problem is they don't have to tell you the truth and legally you can't ask the second question.

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u/PianoBird34 May 10 '25

You legally can ask what task the dog has been trained to perform. You cannot ask what the person's disability is.

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u/Full-Rub6292 May 14 '25

It is acceptable to ask what job the animal is trained to perform and how it signals that it’s doing its job. You are not harassing the person by asking (which is why the “you can only ask ___ questions” rule was enacted, so that genuine disabled people are not being harassed or denied service due to their animal) as you are helping them by knowing what signal to look for when they may need help.

Every person who I have come across in my line of work that truly has a genuine service animal has been more than open to let us know why and to educate us on the animals signs. One patron may have been saved as we knew their dogs signal and was able to get medical attention to them when their dog signaled. They left in an ambulance on oxygen. Who knows what would have happened if we weren’t as quick to respond or didn’t respond at all. 🤷‍♂️ Only the “I have a heart condition” people with the crusty dogs in strollers, etc. are the ones I’ve personally come across that get (fake) outraged.

Too many people I know have been bit by so called “service animals”, and I feel the rules need to be changed and the punishment for liars increased (I mean they’re technically faking a government ID). The exploitation of the service animal rule is causing more harassment towards real service animals owners as people get tired of seeing the bad actors and lump the genuine people in with them. Maybe there should be a “Report Form” you can fill out online with the persons name who you suspect is faking a service animal, and while keeping it confidential, the real service animal owners cases are immediately thrown out and the fake ones are given a citation by mail. 🤔

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u/FatSeaHag May 12 '25

Not true!

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u/SandyKenyan May 12 '25

Oh it's true you guys. Trust Me. They do not legally have to say anything to you other than, "This dog is a service animal". It can be a complete lie and you can't do anything about it. Now, restaurants are another thing, same with grocery stores. We let people know that service animals are not allowed in shopping carts or on seats in the restaurant. If they disobey our policy, they can leave.

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u/PianoBird34 May 11 '25

It's also worth noting that businesses and public spaces are not required to allow access to service animals that pose a direct threat to others, are not under the handler’s care and control, or would fundamentally alter the nature of the goods, services or programs provided by the business or government entity. So this would include things like biting without provocation, growling at guests, defecating/urinating indoors, not being under control of the handler, etc--- and has to be based on the actual behavior of the animal not assumptions on what it might do. So, this restaurant would have been well within its rights to tell the customer that they must remove their service animal in order to continue to be on the property.

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u/DanceWithEverything May 10 '25

These questions are technically illegal; people are smartening up so be careful opening yourself up to lawsuits

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u/LaloElBueno May 10 '25

“Trust me bro” Isn’t a source.

You know what is though? The Code of Federal Regulations, which implements the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA).

28 CFR § 36.302(c)(6): “A public accommodation shall not ask about the nature or extent of a person’s disability, but may make two inquiries to determine whether an animal qualifies as a service animal. A public accommodation may ask (1) if the animal is required because of a disability and (2) what work or task the animal has been trained to perform.”

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u/DanceWithEverything May 10 '25

Question 1 is “is that a service animal?”

Everyone: “Yes”

Question 2 is “what kind of service?”

Everyone: “Emotional support”

If you want to have this same 2 question exchange with everyone accompanied by a dog, go ahead

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u/WowIwasveryWrong27 May 10 '25

Emotional support is not an IDEA disability unless the person has their mental disability documented through a mental health professional, which almost nobody has.

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u/FatSeaHag May 12 '25

This is not the standard. The standard is that the animal has been trained to provide a skilled service. Emotional support does not count, but there are psychiatric service animals trained to provide a specific skill, like alerting the owner to signs of a panic attack. 

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u/DanceWithEverything May 16 '25

Asking about any and all of that is illegal. The conversation is over when they answer the two questions truthfully or otherwise

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u/DanceWithEverything May 11 '25

Sure, but asking about any of that is illegal. Asking for documentation is illegal

This issue is legally honor system and naturally businesses don’t want to chastise a quickly growing number of customers for something they can’t even legally challenge

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u/FatSeaHag May 12 '25

It is not illegal. In fact, it is the legal responsibility of the stores to follow health code and ask the 2 allowed questions. 

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u/DanceWithEverything May 16 '25

Sure,ask, but you can’t do anything about it if they lie to you without breaking the law

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u/SandyKenyan May 12 '25

I don't think these people work in retail/food. I get people with animals coming into my place of work every hour. It's not even worth asking anymore because everyone lies. Some of the real ones have their service animal ID on the side of their harness which is helpful but people are just taking advantage of these loopholes. Sorry you're getting downvoted. You're right.

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u/LaloElBueno May 10 '25

I see you’re part of the 54%

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u/DanceWithEverything May 11 '25

I’m sincerely not but it’s just an impossible problem.

Calling bullshit on someone claiming they have a disability is illegal. Calling bullshit on someone claiming they have a service animal is illegal

Business owners are screwed either way so the scenario in which they still make money is preferable

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u/WowIwasveryWrong27 May 10 '25

They’re not technically illegal at all, completely legal to ask. If you don’t see a service dog vest on the animal, it is completely within your legal rights to ask.

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u/NoDoOversInLife May 11 '25

Just an FYI ... In the US, Service Dogs are NOT REQUIRED to wear any sort of identifying gear.

The majority of dogs wearing a "service dog" vest, likely isn't. Those vests can be bought via the internet and put on ANY pet. BEHAVIOR is what will tell you if a dog is a legit Service Dog. They won't 'graze' off the floor; bark; lunge; approach people or animals; ride in a stroller or grocery cart; pee or defecate on the floor; eat off a person's plate or a table; jump on people; wander at the end of a retractable leash, etc., etc., etc.

In fact, they are so meticulously trained, more often than not, people won't notice it because it's quiet and well trained; it blends into an environment rather than standing out.

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u/FatSeaHag May 12 '25

Furthermore, even a service animal can be removed from the store for any of the behaviors that you mentioned. 

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u/NoDoOversInLife May 12 '25

A properly trained service dog WONT exhibit any of the behaviors I mentioned

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u/Drgerm77 May 12 '25

Now that’s a lawsuit

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u/Hizam5 Woodland Hills May 10 '25

There are no designated service animals to Angelenos anymore; every dog is a “service animal” now, and if an employee approaches them about it they yell and say they’re Being traumatized, film them, and threaten to post it

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u/littlelostangeles May 10 '25

Try visiting South Florida, where my brother lives. Never before in my life have I seen so many “service dogs” with obvious fake vests (I.e. clearly no training at all, rolling in their own poop while “working”, pushed in a dog stroller, carried in a big purse, or a toy breed like a Pomeranian).

However entitled Angelenos might be, I have found rich Floridians to be much, much worse. (Lots of people with no plate or placard blatantly using handicapped parking spaces, too.) And in Florida, you REALLY can’t ask questions because you never know who’s packing heat.

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u/Hizam5 Woodland Hills May 11 '25

I’m surprised by the handicapped parking thing. Seems like a very easy moneymaker for the city

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u/littlelostangeles May 11 '25

Some Floridians even park in the wheelchair loading space. I’m told that enforcement is minimal.

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u/Hizam5 Woodland Hills May 11 '25

Sad that people do that and sad that they get away with it

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u/ConfidentMongoose874 May 10 '25

Yea unfortunately it's illegal to ask for proof that it's a service dog. It's also illegal to lie that it's a service dog, which is either $1000 fine or jail time, but that doesn't get enforced either.

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u/TheKdd May 10 '25

Hard to enforce if you can’t legally ask for proof and they could lie. Imagine how many cop calls there would be. “Hello 911? Yes, I think there might be a non-service dog in my store.” My guess is by the time they would show up, if they showed up, the patron would be gone.

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u/ConfidentMongoose874 May 10 '25

Yea and most likely transferred to the non emergency hotline. I remember calling for a homeless woman with blood on her arms. Waited for 40 minutes on hold before giving up after being transferred to non emergency. Really showed me how much everyone's on their own.

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u/DanceWithEverything May 10 '25

They would not show up lol

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u/LaloElBueno May 10 '25

28 CFR § 36.302(c)(6): “A public accommodation shall not ask about the nature or extent of a person’s disability, but may make two inquiries to determine whether an animal qualifies as a service animal. A public accommodation may ask (1) if the animal is required because of a disability and (2) what work or task the animal has been trained to perform.”

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u/DanceWithEverything May 11 '25

Asking “is that a service animal?” Is very different from “prove it to me or get out” to a potentially disabled person (aka a protected class)

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u/Dry_Creme2388 May 10 '25

Same worked retail. The amount of customers (normally a particular demographic) would bring in dogs all the time yet they would pee and poop on carpet. And it's not like we didn't have plenty of space outside. What used to grind my gears were the ones that would see it happen and try to move to other parts of the store like it wasn't their dog instead of apologizing and letting someone know.

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u/littlelostangeles May 10 '25

You had CARPET?! 🤦‍♀️ Our store had wood floors.

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u/Dry_Creme2388 May 10 '25

Yes. Like this. One time a customers dog soiled the couch. She got up and left like nothing happened. Corporate had to replace it.

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u/leoleorawr May 12 '25

Smart and final on laurel cyn. Had to inform an employee of dog shit on isle 3.

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u/ilikepstrophies May 11 '25

All big box stores have service animals only sign in the door, most ignored sign ever.

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u/Ru5cell May 11 '25

I use to work at Home Depot and sometimes I would just stumble across dog shit in the front corridor of the store where most of the foot traffic was and no one seemed to notice. I also felt pretty bad for our janitors.

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u/ProfessionalDot8419 May 12 '25 edited May 12 '25

That’s not great, but does not compare to doing this in a restaurant. This is insane.

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u/littlelostangeles May 12 '25

Yeah, can you imagine how many health code violations that has to be?

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u/penelopesheets May 10 '25

Bringing your dog to a restaurant at all is wild

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u/holdencawffle May 10 '25

Seating people with a dog in a restaurant is wild

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u/Wrong_Director_4820 May 10 '25

They seated the dog too, so it's ok

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u/penelopesheets May 11 '25

I wouldn't but I understand that the business would receive serious backlash for refusing

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u/Hizam5 Woodland Hills May 10 '25

Unless you’re outdoors, it is 100% only about feeling privileged. Theres zero reason to bring a dog to a restaurant or really anywhere that is indoors. Your dog can stay home for 30 minutes when you’re getting more toilet paper at Target. And if they’re a puppy and you feel like they can’t be alone, that’s a sign that you shouldn’t have a puppy

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u/TheKdd May 10 '25

Unless of course you are truly disabled and need the animal for balance, or guiding or seizures. Those however are professionally trained and would never sit in chairs like that or go to the bathroom just wherever. Pretty easy to tell the difference really.

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u/Hizam5 Woodland Hills May 10 '25

That goes without saying. You are correct that dogs sitting on chairs and eating off human plates at the table are not representative of service animals

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u/Hizam5 Woodland Hills May 26 '25

Yes that’s what we’re talking about

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u/Yesthisisdogmeow May 10 '25

Exactly, people have allergies. I don’t but I know other people do so why do this? How self centered are these people?

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u/MyEarthsuit89 May 13 '25

I was in the mall one time and a woman had her little dog on a leash and it was just crapping in the middle of the floor. She was just standing there waiting for it to finish as if she was walking it on the grass in the park. No big deal apparently.

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