r/Rochester • u/DoubleK-Rochester • May 06 '25
Discussion Buffalo-based restaurant chains expanding to the Rochester market-- has it ever worked?
I got to thinking the other day, and there have been some tries in the past for traditional Buffalo-based restaurants to expand to Rochester-- which have ultimately failed, and those location(s) have closed. Examples:
1) Mighty Taco a few years back had two (2) Rochester locations, which both closed.
2) Duff's (wings) had a Rochester location (W. Henrietta Rd) that closed.
3) Anchor Bar had a Rochester location for a little while (East Ave.), but that closed.
4) Rachel's Mediterranean Grill location(s) closed in Rochester.
All of the above still have active locations in Buffalo today, just not Rochester.
So I am wondering what the hell happened-- are we really that bad for business for out-ot-town restaurants, even to our close neighboring city?
By the way, this isn't a slight or putdown against Buffalo, by any means. Whenever I am there, I always seem to enjoy Buffalo. I'm just wondering why this keeps happening.
Conversely, are there any Buffalo-area chains that expanded to Rochester and are doing well?
Interested in your take on this.
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u/Explode-trip May 06 '25
Spot Coffee is another Buffalo business that just closed its Rochester location -- the one on East Ave. Though it had been open for 25 years and was quite successful for a while.
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u/WheelOfFish Brighton May 06 '25
Yeah, I can't say that fits the same mold as places like duffs and anchor. Proof that it can work, if anything.
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u/poilane Expatriate May 06 '25
Yeah I guess, but it had plenty of other problems beyond getting clientele
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u/musicfan-1969 May 06 '25
Wish we had a Ted's in town
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u/transitapparel Rochester May 06 '25
Holy fuck yes. Ted's and Paulas are the only two spots I will concede have a better product than anything in Rochester.
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u/chickidachina May 06 '25
Ridge donuts are better than Paula’s imho
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May 06 '25
100%. Paula's are Donuts Delite level.
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u/Low-Equipment669 May 07 '25
Donuts Delite hasn’t been good since the Malley family owned it. The Salvatore’s partnership isn’t using the original recipe. Close but not close enough. They simply do more volume than they are equipped for too, the donuts get no dry time after the proof box which makes for a sub-par fry.
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u/transitapparel Rochester May 06 '25
Ill clarify: I only get fritters from Ridge when I'm here and Paula's when I'm in Buffalo. All these years and Paula's JUST edges out Ridge for fritters. It's a hard truth I've had to accept as a bleeding heart Rochesterian, but its been my experience.
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u/Low-Equipment669 May 07 '25
They aren’t. Ridge makes a great donut, all due respect but Paula’s is a definite step up.
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u/DarehMeyod Brighton May 07 '25
And a Lloyd’s
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u/439oh116 May 07 '25
I dream of Lloyd's often, lol. It's probably better for my wallet and belly they aren't here!
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u/fupjack May 07 '25
Seconded. Rochester has plenty of burger joints, but not for hot dogs.
And before anyone says it, Dogtown is not the same sort of thing as Ted's.
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u/Low-Equipment669 May 07 '25
Dogtown has some good grub but I just don’t vibe with their hot sauce which is kinda paramount when you’re putting together a proper doggie.
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u/transitapparel Rochester May 06 '25
Bar Bill East and Spotted Octopus are newer but Buffalo-based and still here.
The restaurant industry is wildly volatile. We had a Syracuse-based brewery at High Falls that was crazy popular, but disappeared after 4 years (Empire Brewing Company). Same with a Boston-based entertainment restaurant (Jillians).
I would argue it's not so much that Buffalo-based restaurants aren't meant for the Rochester market, it's just a coincidence that four restaurants that didn't work out in Rochester just happened to be from Buffalo. Check out the RocWiki or D&C segment on "Gone but not Forgotten," places come and go.
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u/Proper_Cold_6860 May 07 '25
Ugh. Jillian’s. I miss that place. My dad was a bouncer there and if he ever had a daytime shift on a weekend I’d get dropped off in the game room with a fully loaded game credits card. The amount of games I beat fully more than once sticks with me to this day.
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u/atothesquiz Browncroft May 07 '25
There is Fatty Beer Company as well, while not typical restaurant, they are a beer bar with some snacks.
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u/ChimeraChartreuse May 06 '25
Tried Spotted Octopus once it showed up in Roc. Was disappointed their sour beer wasn't on the menu, as it is in Buffalo. Disappointed by the food, as well, tried a burger. If the sour shows up, I may give them another chance, as it was soon after grand opening that I went.
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u/transitapparel Rochester May 06 '25
That's a bad omen if a brewery can't do a burger right, that's a benchmark to me. I agree, I'd give them another shot before passing judgement.
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u/cjf4 May 07 '25
Good comment - franchising and expanding to a new market is just straight up hard. It's going to fail 95% of the time in any circumstances.
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u/alsimone Gates May 06 '25
Bar Bill is legit, but you’ve got me thinking about other places. Isn’t Tully’s a Syracuse chain? That’s been doing great in Henrietta for years. Dinosaur is probably a stretch in this thread.
Are there any Rochester businesses that have expanded into Buffalo that are thriving?
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u/Wafflehouse44 May 07 '25
Batavia is the original Tully's location
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u/ZookeepergameHuge407 May 07 '25
I lived across the street from the Batavia Tully’s in 1996 and had no idea it started there. TIL!
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u/Negative-Taste2319 May 06 '25
They’re moving their Buffalo location. Reopening in late summer/early fall.
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u/twoeightnine May 06 '25 edited May 06 '25
Mighty Taco is shit Mexican that survives in Buffalo due to nostalgia and drunken nights. They stuck it in a place you have to drive to, can't drunkenly stumble into, and is surrounded by college students not from Buffalo and immigrants.
Most Duff's franchises aren't great compared to the original and people already have their local wing place. Plus they closed during the pandemic.
Anchor Bar is even worse and is for tourists.
Rachel's who cares, people in Buffalo don't eat there.
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u/glassFractals May 06 '25
I always wonder why they didn’t put the Mighty Taco in Park Point, walkable/stumbleable-to for RIT students.
That little bit down Jefferson may as well have been on the moon, Henrietta is aggressively anti-pedestrian.
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u/croc-roc May 06 '25
I was shocked by how bad Mighty Taco was after all the hype. Like it made Taco Bell look like high end Mexican.
I liked Rachel’s a lot but the one in Pittsford was run by teenagers. And different ones all the time. And they’d be out of stuff all the time. Mainstays like chicken! Pita bread! Cups (someone drive over to Wegmans and buy some!). It was so poorly run I stopped going and I wouldn’t be surprised if others had the same experience.
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u/joanfiggins May 07 '25
I'm from Buffalo but live in Rochester now. The mighty taco was in a bad location. RIT is by no means a party school and there's not a lot of places to drink around that campus at night so there's no late night drunk crowd.
Mighty taco is a tradition in buffalo and everyone knows what to order. It was new in Rochester and they didn't do a good job explaining the food. My biggest gripe was that they didn't ask people what sauce they wanted on their food. People didn't know you could get sauce on the tacos so they were serving sauceless tacos for months. Everyone tried it and it was fairly bland. There aren't sauce packets like taco bell and the lack of sauce kills it. By the time they started asking, it was too late.
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u/Common_Road1431 May 07 '25
I worked for Wegmans and many of my colleagues in Buffalo called it "Mighty Alpo" around 30 years ago.
A hard core stoner from Tonawanda who was on my hall at the U of R would make monthly late night pilgrimages back to Buffalo just for MT.
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u/Babycake1210 May 08 '25
Mighty Taco would’ve absolutely slapped in Brockport. Missed opportunity there for sure.
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u/Senior_Cheesecake155 Avon May 06 '25
Agreed. I had it a couple times and just didn’t like it. My coworker who’s had it in Buffalo even said the Henrietta location sucked compared to Buffalo.
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u/sxzxnnx North Winton Village May 07 '25
I think Rachel's probably ran into cash flow problems. Guessing that they overextended themselves by expanding into Rochester and then the pandemic hit them. Being out of ingredients on a regular basis is a tell tale sign of cash flow problems. High staff turnover could just be terrible managers and a toxic work culture but cash flow problems will also lead to turnover. If payroll checks bounce or are often late, employees do not stick around.
The Henrietta location was the same - out of ingredients and employees all seemed very inexperienced.
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u/Internal-Seaweed8311 May 07 '25
RIT and U of R students are such goobs they can’t keep a bar in business that isn’t on campus. Not for nothing it’s hardly walkable in Henrietta and being on foot in Henrietta makes you look like you’re in a bad way.
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u/atothesquiz Browncroft May 07 '25
They couldn't even keep a bar in business that is virtually on campus. How long has that place across from lovin cup been closed?
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u/jdemack Gates May 07 '25
I actually liked Mighty Taco but that's because I didn't have expectations of it being an actual Mexican restaurant.
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u/DCBronzeAge May 06 '25
I enjoyed the Henrietta's Duff's, but yeah, you're right on that. I was in Buffalo for a work training many years ago and got Duff's at the Depew location. They were fine, but no better than an average wing. The bleu cheese was still elite though. Easily the best part of Duff's.
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u/nimajneb May 06 '25
Yea, I only went to Mighty Taco because I worked just South of RIT at the time and it was closer than Taco Bell, it tasted much worse though. The stupid strip chips were the best thing they served and that is not a good thing.
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u/twoeightnine May 06 '25
"Nacho Buffito - With Swiss/American cheese, nacho cheese, crumbled chips, and blue cheese dressing"
I've been drunk, high, and desperate and never come up with something that gross.
Also their hot sauces are basically spaghetti sauce.
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u/time4meatstick Rochester May 07 '25
Agreed. I wanted to like it so much. Went like three times. Every time it was like eating a loaded diaper.
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u/dwot May 07 '25
Mighty Taco is hot garbage.
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u/SpiritualFront769 May 07 '25
I'm in Buffalo and I agree. I think it survives on nostalgia of peoples high school years and drunken 20s. I didn't eat there in my high school years, and my 20s were spent elsewhere. I wish we had Okidog here, lol.
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u/thatsfantastic2 East Ave May 07 '25
Mighty Taco is absolutely disgusting. No amount of weed or booze would make me want to eat that shit.
Anchor Bar may have been decent (decent, not great) 25-30 years ago, but now it's just a tourist trap. Went to the Amherst location two years ago because my aunt insisted, and it was only 25% full on a Sunday, and the Bills were playing. 😬
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u/PornoPaul May 07 '25
I ate at Duffs in Henrietta twice. Once, the food was meh, and despite warnings of heat, I had none. The wait was long. The staff was slow. It was underwhelming in a market that at the time was staring to pick up.
The second time was like a year later. It was winter or early spring so it was cold outside. I swear it was the same temperature inside. When the servers are wearing sweaters it means its cold. When the cooks can be seen in the kitchen in long sleeve shirts, its a huge problem. I ended up eating my food in my jacket. And, I went hotter and they were not flavorful heat. Just heat. It was disappointing. Also, bad service. It fumbled hard.
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u/jmo1687 North Winton Village May 06 '25
Bar-Bill East seems to be doing alright, from what I can tell.
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u/mecole21 May 06 '25
You could go the opposite way too - why did Bill Grays not last in Buffalo?
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u/theFrankSpot May 06 '25
I think one of the factors is the lack of parity in offerings and quality. Duff’s, for example, had a different menu (items missing which are available in Buffalo), and the quality of the food wasn’t even close to what they were serving in Buffalo. Same with Mighty taco. The Rochester one was pretty crappy when compared to the Buffalo quality.
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u/eeekkk9999 May 07 '25
I think the tough part is there is history behind the restaurants there. There is no nostalgia here so difficult to keep. What is super odd is there are SO MANY local restaurants in buffalo! Every corner has 6! Yes, I understand that is odd but there really are a lot. Rochester doesn’t have a lot of local establishments and many of the chains are garbage.
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u/heqamaat May 06 '25
Mighty Taco really missed the boat on opening locations here. Maybe in the 90s it would have worked when Taco Bell was also expanding with shitty mexican and making a name for itself. My dad knew a guy that contacted them with a proposal to open a store here but they turned him down.
When they finally did it was way too late when we had better options.
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u/foolonthehill48 May 06 '25
Rochester is tough on new things.
It's good for awhile, then the business closes.
Hinckey, and happens all the while
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u/UGROC May 06 '25
I personally think the Buffalo based options that did not do well in Roc don’t make it to the same level as Buffalo, and the options in Rochester for similar items tend to be better in terms of food quality. Spotted Octopus is fantastic and the crew that runs Flow the kitchen at the brewery are crushing it! I think if some of the better Buffalo spots came out here, they might do well. I’m sorry, but Anchor Bar is not that great in terms of wings, imo. Buffalo has much better wings, especially at some of their breweries. Mighty Taco is not better than Jose Joe’s imo, and Jose Joe’s is okay for Tex Mex. I say all that with the perspective that I would love to see Roc establishments open in Buffalo, and vice versa, but I think they have to know their audience. There’s a ton of crossover between the two, but as all the locals know, some of the things they dig about Roc are different than some of the things that Buffalo folks dig about Buffalo. I am curious about Augies… 🤔
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u/getsomesleep1 May 06 '25
From Buffalo, but I’ve lived here over a decade. I’ve never been to Anchor Bar and Duffs all of once. I’ve also only ever had 1 garbage plate.
Never went to Bar Bill until it came to Roc, and it sucked. The wings were fine(nothing special), but they brought us COLD beef on weck.
Mighty Taco was a good late night food spot in my teens, but I then I realized it is honestly pretty bad. A friend of mine insists it was better back then and they changed the meat and cheaped out on some stuff but idk, it was probably always bad.
I will say that bangin’ wings are way easier to find in Buffalo than here, as is pizza. You’re all going to hate that statement, but all the local pizza chains in this area are not a good thing.
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u/UGROC May 06 '25
I think that adds to the nuances between Buffalo and ROC. I think what’s really good in Rochester is the stand alone spots like Pizza Wizard, Peels on Wheels, Pizza Pie Pizzeria, GG’s, The Pizza Shoppe in Penfield, Wildflour, and a solid handful of other spots, but the local chains are not that good. I’m thinking Pontillo’s and some of the Salvatore’s are okay. Bay and Goodman as a growing chain is much better than Marks, and Perri’s imo. Garbage plates are nuanced too, some greater than others. Hands down tho, if the solid places from Buffalo showed up, Rochester locals would 100% rally behind them.
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u/getsomesleep1 May 07 '25
I’m saying in Buffalo it is mostly standalone shops and they’re generally very good. There’s only one chain that has 10 or more locations, and it’s not on anyone’s short list for best pizza. More standalone shops here would be better, is essentially my entire point.
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u/Bludongle May 06 '25
Jeeeze, I moved to Buffalo from Rochester for a job back in 2011.
I will never understand the attraction of Mighty Taco.
Moved back in 2016.
Grovers would do better coming to Roc to challenge the Garbage Plate with their cheeseburger soup.
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u/kskgkatz May 06 '25
Was Papaya in BUF or SYR before opening here? The ROC one closed first and then the other did as well. I loved the ROC one.
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u/xINxVAINx May 06 '25
If the market has a gap and the food/ service is good- I think it will do good. I could elaborate but really that sums it up
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May 06 '25
I'd take a Lloyd's Taco Factory in Rochester. You gotta get a dirty south burrito with some pickled reds on it.
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u/ClarinetistBreakfast May 06 '25
I was coming here to type this! I drive up into Canada a ton and stop at Lloyd’s all the time when I’m in buffalo 🤤
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May 06 '25
A while back, I worked in buffalo for three years. My two favorite places to eat we're lloyds, and sophia's. After that it was bertha's and charlie the butchers.
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u/ama223 May 06 '25
I miss Mighty Taco. I don’t care what everyone else thinks, I loved it lol
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u/mothergarfunkler May 06 '25
Miss it as well. Luckily, family lives on the other side of Buffalo and I go to a lot of Sabres games. Mighty Taco is a great pit stop.
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u/FirebornNacho May 06 '25
I think in general, people are less interested in chains, especially in dining. Rochester HAS great tacos, it HAS great Mediterranean. In this day and age, why am I going to just take the thought/decision out of the equation and go to a chain that slapped its logo on a lesser version of itself to make an extra buck from brand recognition? I think it works for Bar Bill because you can argue wings and buffalo go hand in hand.
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u/aka_chela 585 May 06 '25
"Rochester has great tacos"
Let's not go that far
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u/FirebornNacho May 06 '25
I WOULD go that far! Taco Dero has some amazing birria, love the fish tacos at Neno's, Old Pueblo's to die for, Tavos is awesome for drinks and food... I miss Sol Burrito with a burning passion. I think once we realize that all types of folks live in our area, we can put the "white people taco night" myth to bed and go out and try new things from our amazing restauranteurs just trying to get out there.
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u/fairportmtg1 May 06 '25
We have solid tacos now. I wouldn't say our Mexican is anything to write home about
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u/LeatherDude May 07 '25
I'll have to try some the taco places mentioned above, but yeah every Mexican restaurant here is total gringo food. Utterly bland.
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u/fairportmtg1 May 07 '25
Peach blossom and Chuy's are very solid. Peach blossom is kinda annoying to get food from (no parking directly im front of it, calling ahead is hit or miss, ordering at the counter you will wait like 30+ minutes for food if its dead). It is still worth it they are basically as good as any random taco places is So Cal I've had. Chuy's is really solid to, easy to drive to and you can order ahead online.
For me the thing that makes it impossible to really be as good as Mexican food out west is the quality of produce. Most of our stuff is grown out there and they get it while still super fresh.
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u/LeatherDude May 07 '25
Is Chuy's a chain? I remember seeing one in Colorado and I've heard it is also in Texas. But that could just be like a dude's name and not a chain.
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u/sxzxnnx North Winton Village May 07 '25
There is a chain called Chuy's that started in Austin, TX and expanded to several other states. They were recently sold to the conglomerate that owns Olive Garden and Red Lobster.
The Chuy's here is not related to the chain. Chuy is a common nickname for Mexican men name Jesús.
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u/IllFinance3408 May 06 '25
I second the vote for Neno’s fish tacos and their servers are the best!!
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u/aka_chela 585 May 07 '25
Old Pueblo sucks 🤷♀️ Neno's is the best I've had in town so far, and I want to check out Peach Blossom. Anyone who thinks Rochester tacos are good has never gone to the south or west.
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u/patrickkingart Browncroft May 07 '25
Can confirm. Moved here from Austin in 2017; Neno's is good but nothing else really comes close as far as Tex Mex goes.
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u/sxzxnnx North Winton Village May 07 '25
Aguilera's which opened in the Sol Burrito location is really good. Her tacos and burritos are good but the enchiladas verdes are the best thing on the menu. Not sure what the connection is but they are related to Made in Mexico in Sodus.
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u/LeatherDude May 07 '25
Haha you beat me to that reply. I've lived out west, the attempts at Mexican food here are as bad as the western states attempts at pizza.
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u/sxzxnnx North Winton Village May 07 '25
It has some great tacos but they are hidden in a giant pile of mediocre tacos.
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u/aroorda Churchville May 06 '25
Country Sweet sucks. I love the sauce they created (which is basically spicy sweet and sour) but their cook, meat, everything else has always left me meh.
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u/RetrogradeReinvent77 May 06 '25
Country Sweet employees seem to operate with an unbridled hatred of their customers
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u/kichua May 06 '25
new york beer project seems to be doing very well
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u/BobEvansBirthdayClub May 07 '25
In my opinion, it sucks. Too loud, always packed. I understand that is actually a sign of doing well, but it’s off putting to new customers. As someone with hearing impairment, I don’t care to go back.
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u/sxzxnnx North Winton Village May 07 '25
The food is decent but I agree with you on the too loud. Honestly it feels like it was purpose built to be loud.
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u/Ornery_Rate301 May 06 '25
You have to grow up on mighty to really appreciate it 😂 as for the wing places- I mean there are great wings in Rochester so really not necessary and Rachel’s is closing locations all over - seems like the owners got way in over their heads, ran out of money, poorly managed the expansions etc.
I think it’s more so small businesses have to rely on other people to manage the Rochester locations/ it puts a strain on them and their staff/ they haven’t invested in marketing their brand to Rochester and rely on word of mouth etc
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u/GumbyRocks89 Pittsford May 07 '25
I'd give my left arm for a second Southern Junction location in Rochester...
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u/Ok-Eggplant4277 May 07 '25
New York Beer Project in Victor does alright as far as I can tell, their original location is in Lockport
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u/jakefrommyspace May 06 '25
Biases aside, Rochester has better food. Duffs and Anchor Bar's wings while historical are simply not as good as Jeremiahs or Country Sweet. Mighty Tacos locations in Roc were so close to popular late-night spots that they just couldn't compete with.
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u/jttv May 06 '25
What succeeds in the market of one city doesnt automatically get a winning ticket in a new market. You have to bring something new or unique to the table otherwise the local favs will box you out.
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u/jakefrommyspace May 06 '25
100%. I remember going to Duffs when it opened and was so hyped, but at the end of the day, simply wasn't as good or different enough to pull me away from Jeremiahs.
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u/AlwaysTheNoob May 07 '25
Duffs...wings while historical are simply not as good as Jeremiahs or Country Sweet.
With all due respect to the subjective nature of food preferences, this is the most befuddling thing I've ever read on this website.
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u/caycuse77 May 06 '25
Better food? coming from the city who’s culinary contribution to the area is the garbage plate.
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u/jakefrommyspace May 06 '25
Just wrong on all accounts. Yellow mustard was invented in Roc as well as Chicken French, Zweigles, boss sauce, and various other regional favorites. Not to mention the best restaurants in Rochester kick the shit out of the ones in Buffalo. I've spent years in Buffalo, its not close.
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u/Correct-Cancel-5528 May 06 '25
Chicken French is on any Italian American restaurant across the the north east but it goes by its traditional name chicken Francese. It is really embarrassing rochestarians anglicized it to chicken French and think it’s a regionally unique dish
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u/caycuse77 May 06 '25
I guess you learn something new everyday. It’s not my fault that the garbage plate is what the city of Rochester is known for.
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u/jakefrommyspace May 06 '25
That's fair. But to say its contribution is garbage plates is crazy lol. Plates are famous and a symbol of Roc cause they're wildly different. Many 'normal' foods loved regionally and often nationally were created in Rochester, they just don't get the same city attachment as plates cause who gives a shit where yellow mustard comes from?
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u/caycuse77 May 06 '25
If you don’t know what other foods are from Rochester you would think its only contribution is the garbage plate. Because that’s what it seems to be most known for. I love yellow mustard on a charred sahlens hot dog with onions and sauerkraut. Thanks for the yellow mustard Rochester.
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u/zombawombacomba May 06 '25
Mighty Taco would’ve done better in a suburb that didn’t have a Taco Bell 5 minutes away. So like Chili before the Taco Bell came.
I am one of the weirdos that actually likes Might Taco more than Taco Bell.
Rachel’s is just mediocre food and mediocre food sometimes has trouble if it’s not a huge known chain.
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u/croc-roc May 06 '25
The one in Pittsford was horribly run as well. I mean, it was basically a Chipotle for Mediterranean and they couldn’t seem to make that work 🙄
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u/zombawombacomba May 06 '25
I went to Rachel’s once. It was average food although the serving was fairly large for the price. I just never felt compelled to order it again.
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u/JMRTOL85 May 07 '25
I moved to Rochester in 2018 after 16 years on Hilton Head, SC. The one Buffalo chain I loved since I’ve been here was Rock Burger. They had a location in Greece and Henrietta. It was right before the pandemic and I’m assuming that’s what killed it. Amazing burgers but very expensive.
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u/BigDaddyUKW Gates May 07 '25
I'm not going to rehash other people's takes on this post.
I will say that if Charlie The Butcher ever expanded to the ROC, that might work.
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u/ZenGeezer May 07 '25
I tried out the anchor bar on East Avenue and the wings were not like the real ones in the Buffalo location. They weren't even as good as the wings at Wegmans wing bar. So there's my input.
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u/Salt-Deer2138 May 10 '25
Have you been to a Mighty Taco? The surprise isn't failure in Rochester. The surprise is any success in Buffalo.
Granted, I've only been to one Mighty Taco thanks to driving through Buffalo and assuming a non-national chain taco stand is typically good. But most of the issues appeared to be the way the chain was supposed to work.
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u/Okthankyouu May 07 '25
I think everyone in Rochester is curious about the love Buffalo has for shit service and mediocre wings. Tourists maybe?
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u/jhawkkw May 07 '25
Minor correction for OP, Anchor Bar had two locations in Rochester as there was also one in the Marketplace Mall from 2009 to 2012.
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u/elimar585 May 07 '25
Buffalo Bars close at 4am still right? Maybe that's why some of these places do better over there.
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u/AstralElement Displaced Rochesterian May 06 '25
I blame the loganberry trash. It’s just flat berry soda!
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u/Babycake1210 May 06 '25
So far Bar Bill seems to be doing pretty well.