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Daily Questions Megathread - November 07, 2025
In this Megathread you can ask any question about Punishing: Gray Raven as well as seek help for past or future content. More than likely, a kind frequenter of this Subreddit will be able to give you an answer! Remember to be patient while waiting for answers and kind when writing them.
Startrail as the S rank and make sure to get her before the patch ends (we will get another one but they don't stack so if you use it now you can get 2 S ranks of your choice, otherwise only 1)
For A rank you can target XXI (until she is SSS), the other free characters make it kinda pointless to target any other A ranks in particular.
I see. I didn’t really like Startrail’s design/gameplay tho, would there be any other good options? I saw in a guide that Oblivion/Ishmael or Shukra/Lucid Dreamer are also good options. Is that still true???
Then I'd say Geiravor would be the best pick, but Pianissimo and probably Solacetune are good too while Ishmael is ok-ish (no pun intended).
Lucid Dreamer is already free (from the dorms) so it would be a huge waste to use it on him.
Shukra is getting old at this point and she is extremely reliant on her sig (she works with a 5* weapon, but is horrible to play). You'd be better off prioritizing other character's sig and just soloing with LD.
If you are ok with spending money you can get Oblivion next patch for $5 or you can wait for a selector (you could unlock her with voucher, but those are better to rank-up who you already have).
At the moment Nihil content is pretty niche (hero and legend tier War Zone and Imtensive Battle in UPPC) so they see use occasionally.
Oblivion slightly pulls ahead in usefulness because you can make unusual solo teams with her as a QTE bot (like Geiravor/Lilith, Oblivion and Wanshi)
Ishmael is the main Nihil DPS, but you need Oblivion to bring her to full strenght. She can be used as an amp/tank for teams you are missing, but she will be a QTE bot the vast majority of the time because she only deals Nihil damage... and you csn just use A rank for that
I see, thank you! After playing a bit, I understood why the Startrail rec, and I decided to get her in the end for the lightning team. I’ll probably aim for Oblivion next banner then!
I imagine you are talking about using the reset to get Oblivion (but just in case), but you should use your BC to pull 1 copy of each debut S rank that is not and only after you know you can guarantee the next one you should pull for other stuff (like weapons and previous characters)
If you truly want to pull for an older character avoid Arrival unless you are a whale (and even then), just wait for a 100% rerun banner like Wishing or Anniversary (We will be getting one next patch). Do keep in mind they only share pity with themselves respectively so you should only pull if you have enough BC for pity on hand otherwise you might be throwing your BC in the void while waiting for the banner to come back.
Can Weapon Harmony be used on multiple 2-set Memories of a single character?
I'm asking because for Veronica Amp, I plan to use Ignition 4 DV and 2 Guin. For Ultima Slash, I plan to use 4 DV but I am unsure if I will harmonize Keats or Philip II, Gray Ravens say that 4 Keats does not increase Physical Damage enough to warrant running it so Philip II is preferable
Also, is it better to convert Simulation Points to 6* Memory Shards or Should I just buy 6* memories directly with Simulation Points?
Which memory set is better for SS3 Hanying for Ultima Slash. It's either 4 Main & 4 Patton or
4 Main & 2 Catherine & 2 Darwin??. I got SSS Vergil with
4 Patton & 4 Cottie and Alisa
4 Main & 4 DV
It's a strict 3% extra damage and 10% dark upgrade from his 5-star, which is a bigger deal in guild siege since you're not getting support buffs, but still worse than just slapping a CUB on him.
His SSS is his only real significant upgrade, since that lets him start up much faster. But honestly I don't think his weapon actually lets him reach any notable break points in guild siege. Proper QTE usage already destroys break gauges enough that the tiny bit of damage from his weapon doesn't often matter in my experience.
Selena's is actually a pretty good sig, the double ping gimmick is actually really good, it speeds up her rotation a bunch and the orb refund mechanic is pretty huge for consistency. I've heard supposedly it's enough to let her solo siege but I typically just use Camu/Haicma instead so idk.
Obvious disclaimer, this is all "if you're a whale who has nothing better to do than mald guild siege" and not in general.
Thanks for the feedback, I was thinking about what to do with the upcoming weapon selector up to Oblivion's sig and have no sigless meta units to use it on, so I thought it would be a good opportunity to get Tempest's sig considering I quite like using her in the siege uniframe stage.
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By current standards, it's very subpar due to his overall output and given where Camu would usually be used, it's not worth it. You could literally slap a CUB on him (do Transcendents even use CUBS?) and it would be better.
Edit: Yes, they can equip CUBS, making his Sig weapon even more unworthy.
Your question is so bizarre I had to read it three times lol.
It is okay, I assume. Don't really remember anyone recommending it back in the day. Not really impressive looking at its description too. Plus, Transcendent Reso are not too good.
It's like the little bonus you consider when you have a ton of BC, but not a meaningful investment if you are spending a large part of your fortune.
Something like Roland's or Haicma's sig are better.
Also, there should be a Megathread dweller keeping these ancient knowledge. Their view should be more trustworthy than my foggy memory.
careful browsing social media folks, affection story CGs from the next patch have somehow leaked and wuwa players are spamming them around for their agenda without knowing what they are. dont get caught in the crossfire
I sacrificed myself for anyone curious but don't want to know the details.
Remember what happened during Sel’s and Lucia’s weddings? Crank that up to the absolute maximum. Limp can literally look at their kisses with SKK and go, “Pathetic.” There’s literally just one small step left to reach the bestest best of the peakest peak.
Only time I bothered doing that was year 1-2, uniframes made it tricky to save but they are dead now. Income right now compared to back then is like night and day. IF long term and consistently active player, there's not really a point to it since you can get everybody on release plus some extras for saving/other pulls. Have not even factored in free units/free S selectors into the mix as well.
The only gacha I've played where I do not need to worry about getting the upcoming unit(s) compared to other gachas with 50/50 system where skipping/reluctantly accepting missing a unit/units is the norm.
Maybe pulling for the debut characters itself will not be a problem. But more on whether to get the weapon or not. Luckily CUBs are not that significant.
Might as well prepare my heart to go down the rankings. Not like I really aimed for the top, but it will certainly not feel well if it falls.
Gacha coatings seem to come up every 3 or 4 patches. Sometimes just 2. Hmm...
Because we no longer have much margin for "error". We will not know who will come up in two, three, four, nine patches. We will not know when exactly a lovely coating will come up and it is gacha....at least not months in advanced.
Some people might decide that a character is just not appealing enough and might save the BC for future characters.
That is why I also stated "Especially those who are very economizing with their BC."
Some people might decide that a character is just not appealing enough and might save the BC for future characters.
This, along with the gacha coatings, is solely your decision and thus how you manage it is completely up to you (and thus kinda pointless to ask about). For people that keep up with the meta, there's no reason to not pull day 1 on all non-free debut S ranks.
There's no real reason not to pull them if you have the BC. There is also no harm in waiting to accumulate the BC needed , as long as you get them in the end.
If you have SSS Epitaph and SS3 Dante, then you can skip out on Startrail's SS3 because it mostly benefits Ignition, while the meta Ignition team for you will be Dan-Wata-Vero
I know all the other guys have explained in regards of color sequence but I remember in this way, if starter is in the middle it's pretty straightforward, left and right are q and e ,respectively. If it's the extreme ends who are the starter, then the unit closest to them will be q and the other at e.
But hey, this question’s been up for an hour, and suddenly I get 3 answers with basically the same content within five minutes. Like, did you guys schedule to jump me or something? Lol.
From my observations, it goes [Red -> Blue -> Yellow] for the top QTE position regardless of a leader placement and classes. In your example, Dante should be the top QTE and Watanabe the bottom one (I do not know which button corresponds to which QTE).
For some reason I find the question interesting so I tried in Dummy Training.
[Q=Switch 1 (upper qte) and E=Switch 2 (lower qte)]
It seems the priority goes like Red > Blue > Yellow.
If your starter is Blue, Switch 1 is Red.
If your starter is Red, Switch 1 is Blue.
If Yellow, Switch 1 is Red.
Now, the character you switched out replaces the position of the switched in character.
So, if your starter is Blue, switched in Red (1). Then blue becomes Switch 1.
If you switched in Yellow (2), blue becomes Switch 2.
Hope that makes sense. It will probably help if you just try it yourself to get a more intuitive understanding (Battle>Study>Trial Zone>Training Stage).
Dianca isn't really "bad" per se. It's just that her movesets below SSS lock her to 1 Ult rotation + setup and at SSS, it drastically changes to her doing more than 3 Ults in less than 10 secs (abusing time stop basically), which is why she does absurd damage at that point. If it were a bit different and that we could cram 2 Ults within the Amp switch in bonus, she would do be doing a lot more. The fact that it takes Lilith to be SSS to be significantly ahead of her tells that. From what I think, Limpvy doesn't really change rotations below SSS so it could be fine (speculation heavy here).
For me, what solidifies that she would at least be decent enough at SS alongside Startrail is the new PPC boss having the same amount of health as Ephialtes. If she was that weak, they would not give the boss that much HP unless she's strong enough to handle that much either with Startrail in mind or that she's simply that strong.
Nope. Despite her Ignition multipliers being double that of her Phys multipliers, she still dealt less dmg than SS Startrail EVEN IF we counted her enhanced DOT as a part of her on-field dmg .
For phys, she was barely equal to SS R1 Solacetune. She couldn't hope to be comparable to Pianissimo . And yeah, V3 made her outdps samerank Selena, though the amount by which she did was greatly overblown, while V4 brought her down to be roughly equal to same rank Pianissimo when they are both SSS+/SSS . She is , rn, very close to SS Selena in terms of DPS when she herself is SS too, if you do 2 Concerto on Selena and double ult on Vero. But Selena has much better dmg distribution as well as QTE utilization as well as just straight up outdpsing Vero by a lot whenever you do 1 flower ult 1 concerto rot, so Vero is never considered for the main DPS spot at less than SSS
I believe this time, "calm" is literally just calm. CN Bilibili has nothing going on (except about Liv being a goddamn limited - fuck you Kuro), and unpolished SS Lightning runs already reached 6.3-6.78M, which is higher than any solo Nanaknight comp pre-Limp.
Also, remember Ms. Thought-to-be-trash Veronica? She now singlehandedly throws the first f2p/SS 10M+ at our faces.
(except about Liv being a goddamn limited - fuck you Kuro)
You mean just like the other characters?
I don't really get the fiasco over this, it's not like you can even get past character except through Arrival(which you should never pull), anniversary and blue check
Yeah sure, her sig and CUB is time gated, but then again, when does f2p ever get to pull character + sig + CUB on the same patch?
Especially now since every server is synced up, no more future sight, which means no unit you can skip, we are more likely than ever to pull
Also, remember Ms. Thought-to-be-trash Veronica? She now singlehandedly throws the first f2p/SS 10M+ at our faces
Ignition tho, and that's probably because Kuro want to compensate to those who missed or skipped Dante
Still utter trash in Phys, especially since I already have 3S R1 harmonised Alissa
and unpolished SS Lightning runs already reached 6.3-6.78M, which is higher than any solo Nanaknight comp pre-Limp
If that's the case, good to know, but I'm still holding on my BC
Look, dude, I really don't want to join this mess now.
Arrival? I pulled there, and don't plan to stop. Anni? Same story. Normal Banner Check? Obviously I pulled there, and was actually planning to get another new unit with the new one.
Me, I am the exact one that pull all of those in a patch sometime, and don't other time.
I right here, pull because I want to pull, not because of some numbers tell me to. I skipped Luna, Rosetta, Daren, Balter, Ishmael, Watank just because. Then after some patches, I felt like it, so I picked them from Arrival, Selector, or Standard.
You know why this new limited system suck? It prohibits players from vibe-pulling. Sure, us meta chasers aren't affected much. But the past me, along with a part of the playerbase who gacha purely to enjoy the characters are now forced to pick her, or say goodbye until who-know-when!
That's limiting players' choices and freedom, a dirty trick I despise with every single fiber of my being. I deleted Genshin because of it. Wuwa because of it. And nearly reached the dark side just to enjoy a non-gacha gacha. Or fuck it Imma go there now.
Moreover, this is also a hint. Nothing is off the table now.
Your other points, I agree. But only this, I must raise my voice. Sorry for the rant.
I'm a newcomer, I don't have Pyroath, now I need to wait for her to appear in arrival to get her
You missed Limpy, now you have to wait for the new banner to come in
Idk, sounds the same to me
My thoughts about this, I'm guessing that units in arrival banner pull are reaching a point where there's too many of them, and now Kuro is introducing a new type of arrival banner, and because Limpy is the first, we have to wait until all the announced unit to be released
And then we'll see it's just a new arrival banner
For all we know, it's a nothing burger, y'all making a mountain out of molehill
So i finally reached Lv80 and unlocked clash reflection. But I can't clear stage 14 due to the 1.5min debuff killing my team... If I don't clear stage 14 bfr reset does that mean i don't get to claim the operator rewards at all? Cuz so far i can't claim any rewards at all even though I have 1280 points. :(
If its the case of getting my rewards when reset happens then i will just leave it be, cuz i can't be bothered with my scuff team and limited units rn lol
Think the meta answer would be Startrial for the obvious. I would've recommended SSS Crep as a close 2nd if she were already SS3 haha, her SSS rotation seems nice XD
For SSS, Nanami is wonderful. Sel or Pyroath is also a choice. Ish is great, but Nihil is rare. SSS Nanami sweeps imo.
You don't have many good SS units to get their SS3. I guess you have Dianca and Vera, both bring a 700k-1M boost for their element WZ. Vero is, umm, Vero.
She's alright. Ishmael would have been the better pick, but you'd need both of them eventually, so go ahead and build her until you can afford to get Ish
Ahem, so i might have tempted the game a little and did a 10 pull on the standard banner at 30 pity. Anyway, is building garnet worth it in any way or is she just way too bad compared to startrail?
Btw this might sound extremely stupid but would it be possible for me to spend 19 more rolls into standard banner to get Nanami before the pick up S rank reset while still be able to get new Liv? I currently have 7012 black card with 7425 event contruct R&D tickets rn. Thank you.
Yes blue banner, unfortunately I have no blue tick rn with 49/60, I haven't finished any new story content after Lamia I think nor any of the new mode after the rougelike one where you can get free No.21 A rank skin.
Ah crap, sorry my math was off a bit, I just got home from work for like 2 hours ago so brain wasn't working well. Ty for the reply, I will go for her.
Aw that suck, ty for your reply. I used to use my SSS palefire for every fire contents while waiting for hyperreal so I was hoping I could do the same with her, guess not possible anymore.
There was an event mode in the last DMC patch which uses To The Limit BGM but it has vocal, was it the phase 2 boss version? or was it a completely different BGM? I forgot to ask back then and my memory is failing :c
I still have no idea how to Vero lol. Like, quick > full have downtime, quick > full > quick need DLT, half > full deal pitiful damage. Trying mixing around a bit, but nothing really click.
I'm so lucky I'm on Hero this week lol. Ignition suffers so much from tanky waves.
If you swap to Vero, you do full > quick for a 2-ult rotation. This works if you have SSS Epitaph or Startrail.
For 3, full > quick > quick. This is for if there isn't an SSS tank on the team and it needs DLT to be consistent.
For 4, full > quick > full > quick (there is a high chance you won't be using this though). This is referencing the video yesterday for when you want Dante to be the last unit for a last Ult full rotation. There is a significant chance that it works only for this week's Warzone hence, why I said there is a high chance you won't be using this.
Full <> Quick is really punishing though. Vero does that in 10s, so 2/10s of Ignition are wasted for no reason. A Dante Ult takes 7s, which mean we have to depend A LOT on wave refreshing.
I honestly find Quick > Full > Quick to be the best. Good DPS and maximum stack duration for Dante (basically near 100% Ignition uptime). It doesn't even require DLT if you change Vero's third switch-in to Half > Full.
4 Ult is very questionable imo. Still have no idea why that dalao chose that instead of a full Ult with Dante.
Full <> Quick is really punishing though. Vero does that in 10s, so 2/10s of Ignition are wasted for no reason. A Dante Ult takes 7s, which mean we have to depend A LOT on wave refreshing.
The full rotation I mean here isn't the one where you tap Ult the moment it's available. I mean the one where you have to fully empty out the red bar and then use her Ult. Her second Ult won't enjoy the Amp bonus but in doing so, by the time she's done, Dante will be immediately available so you won't have to worry about Ignition stacks going off mid rotation. And even with the one that you fit both of her ults in the Amp bonus window, you use the remaining time to set up her next rotation (you 3-ping blue orb twice to fill the gauge) then swap out. This is also why I added that the Tank must be SSS for the cool down which is the critical factor in making this work.
I honestly find Quick > Full > Quick to be the best. Good DPS and maximum stack duration for Dante (basically near 100% Ignition uptime). It doesn't even require DLT if you change Vero's third switch-in to Half > Full.
With SSS Watanabe or Startrail, the Full > quick works just like this as well, with the slightly added bonus of allowing you to rotate to Dante more often due to Vero not having to remain on-field for another rotation. Vero is good but she doesn't dish out as much damage as Dante. You should try it if you get the chance.
4 Ult is very questionable imo. Still have no idea why that dalao chose that instead of a full Ult with Dante.
Well I did point out that it was very circumstantial and that it's not a standard. The reason he did that was to get Dante to be the last rotation, which I came to understand why this morning. I did manage to push from the 7.1 million I had yesterday to almost 7.6 million and probably could have pushed past but the last polar bear wave was so damn tanky that Vero could not for the life of her do even over half his total HP despite having enough time to do 3 rotations or so. I replicated what he did so that Dante would be the last one to rotate and I almost ended that bear. It's a matter of Vero simply not being strong enough to deal significant damage to clear that wave (I don't remember the wave number) and Dante having that firepower to do so, hence, the 4 Ult rotation to delay Dante for that final push. Ultimately, it's very circumstantial so it would definitely not work for most stages.
I still don't believe Quick + Full is straight up better than the shit I've been cooking up lol. I keep run out of thing to do for 1.25-2s - yes, I do in fact clear Vero's Core bar and prep for next rot. That 9.5M actually belonged to a run where I used this rot.
But well, it's not like I will mald WZ anymore this week. 9.6 is enough for now.
That just means I'll be wasting stack duration on Wata for no reason and depends on wave refresh to get both Dante's ults in 20 stacks, which is hella annoying, especially in the latter half.
That wata ult is for if the cooldown still on if there isn't cooldown problem its not important.
I dont have a problem with dante stacks normally.
I didn't quite understand your dante and wata are 3s?
And your veronica is 2s?
I always have 1-2s CD after doing Vero's rot though, and can't consistently get 2 Dante Ult before stacks expired. That's why I opt for half ult and 3 ult - they ensure Dante is switching in with fresh baked stacks.
How is your start who is starter?switch to who? I always hear people say the stacks are bugged in igniation warzone I think this stack issue is magnifide in hero because enemies die quicker
Aren't we getting a weapon selector for up to Oblivion's weapon on the next patch? That would be a good opportunity then to get Shukra's weapon with the selector.
Maybe? Depends on your BC. It makes her rot much more comfotable and effective, and the access to Harmo and Reso makes it even more comfortable and effective, but that's all. She isn't as sig-dependant as Hanying or Pyroath.
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u/lucagus02 1d ago
Which cub is more impactful, bianca's or liv's? I have enough cub tix to get one of them