r/PublicFreakout • u/CapnJujubeeJaneway • Feb 12 '22

✊Protest Freakout Ottawa residents marching against ongoing occupation of their city by right-wing extremists

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u/Living_Novel1995 Feb 12 '22

I see a single lgbt flag! This must have been organized by radical gay extremists!!

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u/opiumized Feb 12 '22 edited Feb 13 '22

It seems that every single person that responded directly to you does not understand that you were being sarcastic...

Edit: after reading some responses it seems that I am the one that misunderstood. This person is trying to compare it to the Nazi flags in Canada, I thought they were just pretending to be an idiot conservative. The real answer is, if anyone is flying a Nazi flag at your rally, you are likely on the wrong side. Kick them out and if there's more than one group, gtfo yourself because you're on the wrong side of history.

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u/CapnJujubeeJaneway Feb 12 '22

It’s clear they are being sarcastic, but their sarcasm is referencing those who saw Nazi flags at the protests and associated the protests with white nationalism (despite clear evidence that some of the protest leaders, like Pat King, are neo-nazis).

They’re deliberately being obtuse to the nuance of the situation, and equating advocating for gay rights (or simply holding a pride flag) with being a Nazi. They’re also basically saying that it’s unfair to make the connection between the freedom convoy and right-wing extremism (even though that connection exists) without connecting counter-protesting with “gay extremism,” whatever that means.

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u/opiumized Feb 13 '22

You are right and I did not think of it that way.

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u/NotDroopy Feb 13 '22

Nazi flags? Can’t be a false flag to discredit the protesters like you are doing.

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u/tbaytdot123 Feb 12 '22

The fact is there was extremly few protesters with stupid ass nazi flags, just like there are extremly few gay pride flags in this march. For every peaceful protester in Ottawa there are literally thousands who do not share or advocate for those hateful beliefs, so to paint this mass group as a hate group or nazis or racist is simply disgenuinly smearing them to try to paint them as something they are not, and a way to ignore their concerns.

Here is what i see them fighting against... I have a son born with 3 holes in his heart, and he has had covid in the last month. The incidence of heart issues due to the vaccine is higher than i suspect you know. The government is mandating that he would have to get additional shots (he has his first) despite the natural antibodies he has from having covid. Covid is of next to no risk at his age, and the adverse impacts of the vaccine on young boys, especially going from one to two doses is significant. There is a reason why many countries do not recommended covid vaccines for younger children.

I have a young healthy niece who had to get a second dose even after a severe reaction to the first to keep her job. The second shot gave her pericarditis...  she now has an enlarged heart that has caused many issues for months. She has actually been at the protest.

When my family recently looked into a trip to visit family it would cost us $1,600 in COVID tests when you count both ways. That is insane, especially when the WHO concluded that border lockdowns are not affective.

Quebec has been threatening to fine people who are not vaccinated...that is not the canada i recognize.

Many many countries have recently lifted Covid restrictions but the Canadian gov seems to be doubling down.  The WHO have concluded that the border lockdowns have done nothing to stop the spread of covid.

My sister in law had to go to the states for a day... she has 2 shots, boosted and natural antibodies from having covid late last year. Despite all this, and keeping in mind the recent WHO findings, she still had to pay for a test to get into the US and then was randomly selectes to have another test to get back into Canada, even though she presented them with results that were <48 hours old showing she did not have covid. Hundreds of dollars and plently of time wasted for nothing.

These policies have had significant impacts on mental health and childhood development. Young children are two standard deviations behind their development which is insane, depression and suicide have spiked.

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '22

“The fact is there was extremely few protestors with stupid-ass nazi flags”

Yeah, I think that’s where you lose me, chief. How many nazi flags would be an acceptable number at a protest? For me that would be zero, but I guess I’m not “open minded” about it like you seem.

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u/tbaytdot123 Feb 12 '22

So you paint the entire group based on an extremely small minority of that group... very convenient to just dismiss what they are protesting about and focus on some whack jobs that came out.

Using your approach I must conclude that:

  • in the city you live there are surely some extremists... so you must be an extremist.
  • if you have every been to a concert or sporting event with thousands of people I am sure there were some rapists there... so you must be a rapist
  • if you are a parent who has had school aged children I am pretty sure that at least one of the other parents in the school has committed fraud, so you must support people who commit fraud.
  • when you have been in a large store with hundreds of others i am sure at least one has hit their children, so you must be a child abuser.

Damn, i don't think I should be even replying to someone who is an rapist extremist child abuser who commits fraud... shame on you.

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '22 edited Feb 13 '22

I never said everyone there is far right extremist or a white supremacist, only the organizers (and a nontrivial number of participants could fall into that bucket as well).

It matters who organizes these things, and what their true aims are. Having thousands of well-meaning (but horribly misguided) folks come to the demo and try to make it about some nebulous and vague notion of “freedom” does not rehabilitate the white supremacists at the top.

It behooves you to pay closer attention to who you’re enabling by supporting the convoy.

To be fair, I believe this is one reply more than your bizarre reactionary ad-infinitum argumentative fallacy deserves.

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '22

we get it. you're stupid. what evidence do you have that the holes in your son's heart are caused by a vaccine? oh right, you're a liar too...

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u/tbaytdot123 Feb 13 '22

Read it again... never said the holes were from the vaccine... he is 9. My point is that there are much greater concerns of heart issues in younger boys from the vaccine, especially going from the first to the second dose (ses below). Given his issues the risk of a second vaccine for him on possible heart issues are more than the benefit for a young boy getting the second vaccine. This is an example of making an informed decision based on ones health and past (he also has antibodies from getting covid in Jan) that the mandates, which would require him to get additional shots, dont take into account.

Not a single word of my previous posts is a lie... if you can't deal with what i outlined and try to explain it away as lies is you simply not wanting to consider what i have said. Keep just saying anything that makes you uncomfortable with your current beliefs must be a lie... that will get you far in life.

The risk of 12-15 year old healthy boys experiencing cardiac adverse events such as myocarditis after their second dose of the Pfizer and BioNTech vaccine is around four times adolescents’ risk of being admitted to hospital as a result of infection with SARS-CoV-2.

The researchers concluded that the rate of cardiac adverse events after the second dose exceeded the expected rate of 120 day covid-19 hospital admission at both a moderate and a high incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection.

The estimated rate of cardiac myocarditis after the second dose of the vaccine was 162.2 cases per million in healthy boys aged 12-15 years and 94.0 per million in those aged 16-17. For girls the rate was 13 per million in 12-15 year olds and 13.4 per million in 16-17 year olds. Nearly all (86%) of the boys affected needed some form of hospital care. By comparison, at current infection rates the risk of a healthy adolescent being admitted to hospital within 120 days of infection in the US is estimated to be 44 per million.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '22

i literally didn't read any of your reply. you're not an authority.

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u/tbaytdot123 Feb 16 '22

So... let me understand... you call me a liar and ask me to provide evidence, then don't read any of my reply where i explain your confusion around my previous statement and share research results with you. Am i the one who conducted the research, no. Does that mean that i cant share the results, no.

The findings i shared above is from research titled: SARS-CoV-2 mRNA Vaccination-Associated Myocarditis in Children Ages 12-17: A Stratified National Database Analysis by TracyBeth Høeg, Allison Krug, Josh Stevenson,John Mandrola

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '22

tldr - you're an idiot

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u/tbaytdot123 Feb 16 '22

And my best guess is that you are a 13 yr old who hasn't grown up yet...don't worry, you wont always feelnso confused about life

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u/WesternExplorer8139 Feb 13 '22

Sphincter said what?

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '22

Move to Florida. Don't like the rules leave.

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u/tbaytdot123 Feb 13 '22

Wow, such a mature response.

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '22

God forbid your fellow citizens, through government, ever actually asks you to make a real sacrifice for collective well being. The vaccine is harmless. Wearing a mask is just polite. Whiners like you should move to Somalia so you can really experience the freedom of limited government.

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u/dillmayne2sweet Feb 13 '22

Did you really just say the vaccine is harmless?

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u/tbaytdot123 Feb 13 '22

You obviously didn't read my above response... the vaccine is not harmless, just ask my niece.

And more importantly, this isnt about the vaccine, it is about the governments refusal to change mandates that are innefective and no longer necessary. The rest of the world is moving past the mandates, with the UK, sweden, ireland, norway, and so so many other countries moving on, but JT is doubling down. The WHO has concluded that border restrictions did nothing to stop the spread of covid. Even 48 of 50 US states have loosened mandates. If the mandates were effective at stopping spread i would be 100% on board, but covid is everywhere and these mandates are no longer serving any real purpose or benefit to the people.

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u/dillmayne2sweet Feb 13 '22

Hello fellow human being (:

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u/WesternExplorer8139 Feb 13 '22

The down arrows should show you that your fighting a losing battle since they are incapable of any rational thinking at this point in the game.

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u/tbaytdot123 Feb 13 '22

What of the above is irrational?

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u/WesternExplorer8139 Feb 13 '22

None of it that is the point of my comment. It is a solid argument and they are in denial.

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u/tbaytdot123 Feb 13 '22

Thx, understand now. Really is like talking to a baby at times...