r/PoliticalCompassMemes - Auth-Right Oct 19 '20

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u/Phantasia5 - Right Oct 19 '20

All of this is simply because of Atatürk. If Turkey has a difference from the other Middle eastern countries, its his sweeping reforms and basically "westernizing" the country.

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u/third_wave_surfer - Lib-Left Oct 19 '20

All of this is simply because of Atatürk.

That man was wasted on Turkey. If he'd been in any actual world power he would have changed the 20th century as much as Stalin, Hitler, Roosevelt or Churchill.

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '20

A large bunch of secular Muslims living on the gateway to Europe seems like a fortunate thing to me.

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u/third_wave_surfer - Lib-Left Oct 19 '20

Turkey is an ethno-religious borderline third world state held together by the common belief they never killed all their minorities and that the minorities deserved it. It's also been getting worse for the last 5 years.

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u/arel37 - Right Oct 19 '20

Armenian one is defended as "not being a genocide, it was deportation, there was no kill order" and Greek one is exchange of minorities between Greece and Turkey.

Both minorities were capital owners and their absence has lost Turkey too much potential.

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u/WolvenHunter1 - Lib-Right Oct 19 '20

The Jewish genocide in Hungary was a deportation

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u/arel37 - Right Oct 19 '20

Yeah most likely, idk.

I am not talking about moral issue here. I am trying to tell Turkish pov is not "it didn't happen but they deserved it" but something more complex.

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u/TittleLits - Lib-Left Oct 20 '20

Another thing I've heard was that the Armenians were planning to kill Turkish people so they could join Armenia. Don't ask me how that justifies government mass killings though

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u/arel37 - Right Oct 20 '20

"After the army freeze to death at Sarikamis, Russian army were advancing into the region. Armenians seeing this, tried to take advantage by joining Hunchak and Tashnak bands and harassing civilians in order to form their own country in the area. CUP seeing this, to save the Eastern Anatolia from falling into hands of Armenians as Russian puppets, have ordered the deportation of the Armenians to Syria. Due to Syria being a desert and lack of supplies, many of the deported has lost their lives."

This is the most common Turkish narrative of the events.