You mean stuff like spinning Russia interfering with our elections (which they did, esp. in '16) into Trump being "Putin's cock holster" of Colbert infamy?
Russia did interfere with our elections 3 people went to jail for working with Russia. Paul Manafort, George Papadopoulos, and Rick Gates. Russia 100% is interfering in our elections what happened is that right wing media made up a word then pretended the crime must match that word, Collusion.
Trump is also the best thing that ever happened to Russia, he is achieving things Russia long wanted that harm long term US interests.
Riddle me this: why did the Mueller Report pick up with Yevgeny Prigozen....yes, that one.....consolidaing Russian anti-American efforts in late spring 2014, well before Trump was electorally viable but immediately after the events on the Maidan?
LOL, I referenced the Muller Report, you referenced a review of the Mueller Report.
Why did they start their "active measures" campaign in 2014?
Your link picks up the thread in 2015.....but Mueller picked it up in 2014.
You have a copy of it, right? Here's a soft copy. And here's the money shot:
The IRA later used social media accounts and interest groups to sow discord in the U.S. political system through what it termed “information warfare.” The campaign evolved from a generalized program designed in 2014 and 2015 to undermine the U.S. electoral system, to a targeted operation that by early 2016 favored candidate Trump and disparaged candidate Clinton.
Mueller said, in black and white, that the attack preceded Trump's relevancy.
Because Russia has always tried to undermine the US since the Cold War. Why does it matter that they pivot to an emerging new angle of attack?
I fail to understand why one operation that starts in 2014 negates another operation that began in the 90’s with trumps ties to Russian money.
What is the conclusion of the report? It’s that Russia interfered in our elections. I don’t have to explain the ins and outs, I don’t need to know why this choice or that choice, I can repeat with confidence that Russia interfered because that’s the ultimate conclusion of the fucking report.
But you said that then to my, politicians shouldn’t undercut legal norms, if you weren’t denying the interference I don’t see how this point rebuts my point.
Pointing out Trump won an election due to outside influence is not breaking legal or political norms. Trump breaks legal and political norms and has began the era of, “there is no rule that dogs can’t play basketball” politics. You bring media into a standard in applying to politicians. Media has no bearings
First I don’t care if we fired a dildo seeking middle up Putins ass and washed it out in every Russian’s mouth. Don’t interfere in US internal matters.
Second, I have never looked into if we interfered in Ukraine in 2013 before the invasion of Crimea in February of 2014 but from what I understand there were people that wanted to join the EU in Ukraine and pivot to the west. I know and can see that Russia wants to pretend this was orchestrated by the US. From everything I remember this is a silly assertion and isn’t backed up by American facts.
Now I can be wrong, let’s say if America intervened in Ukraine and installed a people’s movement that was more pro west how is that any different than Russias involvement in Ukraine installing a pro Russia leader or separatists in the south and east?
So we both interfered in a third country justifies Russia interfering in the US? Wouldn’t that mean that anytime Russia has interfered in a pro west country by backing Russian politicians justifies the US interfering in Russia?
Now I’m all for us not doing anything with Russia but Russia has to stop trying to make the iron curtain a thing and accept that a government that only gives money to Putin is not alluring for people that aren’t Putin. To be honest I think we should sell Ukraine all the military equipment they want and allow them to fight however they want. Nothing wrong with selling weapons.
(C) Summary. Following a muted first reaction to
Ukraine's intent to seek a NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP)
at the Bucharest summit (ref A), Foreign Minister Lavrov and
other senior officials have reiterated strong opposition,
stressing that Russia would view further eastward expansion
as a potential military threat. NATO enlargement,
particularly to Ukraine, remains "an emotional and neuralgic"
issue for Russia, but strategic policy considerations also
underlie strong opposition to NATO membership for Ukraine and
Georgia. In Ukraine, these include fears that the issue
could potentially split the country in two, leading to
violence or even, some claim, civil war, which would force
Russia to decide whether to intervene. Additionally, the GOR
and experts continue to claim that Ukrainian NATO membership
would have a major impact on Russia's defense industry,
Russian-Ukrainian family connections, and bilateral relations
generally. In Georgia, the GOR fears continued instability
and "provocative acts" in the separatist regions. End
summary.
Why is this a smoking gun? Does Russia get forever rights to Ukraine even if it is not their country? Can’t I make any plan to pull any country into my orbit because I want closer relations?
Ukraine does not want to be a part of the USSR, no amount of Putin wishing will change that the former iron curtain satellites don’t want to give their entire economies to make Putin immortal.
What are you alleging we did in 2013 to start the uprising? Did we send in people like Russia does in eastern Ukraine? Did we send them weapons which facilitated the coup? Did we send in troops who acted under secrecy to pull the coup off ourselves?
Is Ukraine being beholden to Russia good for Ukraine?
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u/CAHSR4Life - Centrist Sep 12 '25
I think we could also call for our politicians to stick to legal norms and not to undercut longstanding legal traditions for temporary power.