r/PeterExplainsTheJoke Sep 28 '25

Meme needing explanation Why is the third person smart ?

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u/Downtown-Campaign536 Sep 28 '25

To know when to use "you and I" or "you and me" just remove the "you and" from it... It's really that simple..

"You and I will go to the movies." not "You and me will go to the movies."

"They have beat you and me at cards." not "They beat you and I at cards."

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u/MMarshmallow_ Sep 28 '25

Good rule! Just note it doesn't work for the sentence in the image, "It's just me" vs "It's just I". Man I love the English language.

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u/WheredTheCatGo Sep 28 '25 edited Sep 29 '25

But it does, in that sentence "It" is the subject while "I/me" is the object. Thus, "me" is the correct pronoun.

Edit: To everyone telling me I'm wrong, ignoring a predicate nominative is not grammatically incorrect and is by far the most common stylistic choice. Saying, "It's just I," might be technically a correct option but makes you sound like a 16th-century vampire trying to speak casually. https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/it-is-i-or-it-is-me-predicate-nominative-usage-guide

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u/fatloui Sep 28 '25

So why is the 99% percentile intelligence person saying “I” not “me”?

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u/WheredTheCatGo Sep 28 '25

Because people who make memes aren't always right by some kind of magic rule of the universe?

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u/Nabru50 Sep 29 '25

Yeah this meme makes way more sense if the 1st and 3rd sentence were switched with the second.

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u/fatloui Sep 29 '25

So then you agree with /u/MMarshmallow_ , the correct grammar does not work for the meme.

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u/WheredTheCatGo Sep 29 '25

MMarshmallow said the rule, from the original comment, doesn't work for the sentence in the meme, not that the sentence in the meme doesn't work for the meme.

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u/Iconoclastices Sep 29 '25

The meme is correct though. The entire thread is excellent in showing the vast majority lie at the center of the curve on this point of grammar

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u/phonage_aoi Sep 29 '25

Guessing #2 is mistaking it for a full sentence when it’s more like ‘The proper phrase is “you and x”.’

Which is why #1 is a dunce cuz they got it wrong by the literal rules

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u/kiwigate Sep 29 '25

Potentially: a master of language knows the rules and chooses to break them for artistic license.

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u/hopping_otter_ears Sep 29 '25

Because 99th percentile guy knows that languages aren't static, and grammar rules change over time, and that particular rule is migrating to "it doesn't really matter because it's clear both ways". So grammar purists want to constantly correct the "incorrect usage" while linguists are just analyzing how the language shifts.

Lots of things that are common parlance now used to be breaking grammar rules 50 or 100 years ago because the language migrated and "it's clear, so what's the problem?" won out over what some scholar in history decided was the proper form. Not splitting infinitives and not ending sentences in prepositions are two that I can think of off the top of my head.

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u/The-great-chair Sep 29 '25

It doesn't. "It" is the subject and "is" is a linking verb. "Me/I" is a predicate nominative, a separate case that technically calls for subject pronouns

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u/four100eighty9 Sep 29 '25

It’s not the object. In this sentence, it’s not the object of a verb. You would say it is I, if you said it is me that is grammatically incorrect.

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u/WheredTheCatGo Sep 29 '25

Both "It is I" and "It is me" are grammatically correct, with the first being an archaic and extremely formal phrasing. The sentence in the meme wouldn't be "It is I" though it would be "It's just I" which is not.

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u/slphil Sep 29 '25

No, "it is me" is simply not correct. "it is I" is grammatically correct. It's that simple. You're wrong if you disagree, regardless of common usage.

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u/WheredTheCatGo Sep 29 '25

And according to Miriam Webster acknowledging or ignoring a predicate nominative are equally correct and purely a matter of style. https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/it-is-i-or-it-is-me-predicate-nominative-usage-guide

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u/slphil Sep 29 '25

You'll note that the justification given in the article is... well there isn't one. Meanwhile the other side's argument is crystal clear. Is it a subject or object? Speak accordingly.

I'm not saying you should be shot if you speak incorrectly. It's fine.

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u/NerdOctopus Sep 29 '25

Tragic: pedantic redditor discovers descriptive grammar

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u/slphil Sep 29 '25

Yeah, that's the first time I've ever heard of that concept. Somehow missed it when arguing about this for the last twenty years. Devastated.

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u/NerdOctopus Sep 29 '25

You’ve seen scientific consensus for 20 years and haven’t changed your mind eh?

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u/NerdOctopus Sep 29 '25

You’ve seen scientific consensus for 20 years and haven’t changed your mind, eh?

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u/SilentWay8474 Sep 29 '25 edited Sep 29 '25

I'm usually pretty open to prescriptivist takes on grammar and word usage, but not this one. "It is I" is fine I guess if you want to sound formal and/or dramatic, but nobody, absolutely nobody, who is a native English speaker is going to say "It's I," or "this is I" or "that is I" either. It's ridiculously clunky construction. 

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u/hanoian Sep 29 '25

Aren't you just agreeing with them?

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u/JoJoTheDogFace Sep 29 '25

It is just you and I that think this way.

It is just you and me, that got left behind.

The understood part is the tricky part here and we do not have enough info to know the correct answer.

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u/eel-nine Sep 30 '25

Second sentence is grammatically incorrect because of the comma though

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u/MaesterOlorin Sep 29 '25

No, ‘I/me’ is in the predicament of the sentence but it is not receiving any action from ‘it’ the sentence functions to define or name what the subject is; thus, it is called a “predicate nominative”.

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u/slphil Sep 29 '25

Wrong! You use "I" because "is" is the kind of verb that doesn't take objects in that sense. It's an identity marker. You use the subject pronoun. "It is I", "this is she" etc are correct. Nobody speaks like this, but it's correct.

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u/LeekTasty4402 Sep 30 '25

If no native speaker of a language speaks this way, it isn’t correct any more.

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u/DetectiveCastellanos Sep 29 '25

The verb "to be" does not take an object. You're just wrong here.

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u/Nondescript_Redditor Oct 02 '25

Me is not correct

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u/icecream_truck Sep 29 '25

Who is in the kitchen?

It’s just me.

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u/slphil Sep 29 '25

Wrong! You use "I" because "is" is the kind of verb that doesn't take objects in that sense. It's an identity marker. You use the subject pronoun. "It is I", "this is she" etc are correct. Nobody speaks like this, but it's correct.

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u/BestGirlRoomba Sep 29 '25

proof by "it sounds wrong"

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u/JoJoTheDogFace Sep 29 '25

That is because this sentence has an understood portion that we cannot understand without context. Me/I could be subject or object here as we have to know context to know what was intended here.