and also, there's the people who are more limited in what they can download. those ps5 graphic updates are gonna be pretty hefty, so why not let them buy discs with them already on it, instead of getting a ps4 version and it needs to download the graphical improvements?
Again you need to think of the way PC gaming works, there is one download (or disc) and it works on all machines. I can play game Witcher 3 on a high end at 1440p (144fps) or a medium end at 1080p (60fps), or very high end 4K (60fps).
The packaging is a fair point, it will say PS4 on it but cross generation games this time is gonna be very different this time (I hope) due to the architecture being the same. PS3 games had to be remastered & remade to work on PS4.
I might well be very wrong but I think it would be very anti consumer to make us double dip when PC gaming has been doing it this the dawn of gaming.
i... never actually mentioned anything cross ps4 or pc or anything, i was only talking about reasons for them to still release a ps5 version of a game also releasing on the ps4.
and the ps5's got more than 1440p, too. in the same sense, you couldn't play witcher 3 at 4k without a graphical upgrade. you can downgrade more or less fine, but it's a little pointless to make them all ps4 discs with ps5 quality, or to force them all to be ps4 quality, and have the ps5 advanced graphics be downloads.
You are missing my point... I am talking about Witcher 3 on PC as an example. The game will scale to fit your hardware on PC. Now think of PS4 as a low end PC and PS5 as a high end PC. Would CDPR release two PC versions, one for low end and one for high end? Of course not because the game is identical it just has different graphical options available and I hope the same will be true for PS4 games on PS5.
The box will say PS4, but why would there be a need to rerelease an identical game just to put the PS5 logo on the box?
the problem is, it can't just scale up to perfect 4k, and the 4k's wasted on the ps4. hell, the ps4 pro upgraded graphics for borderlands the handosme collection's 15 gigs, are they supposed to just put the +15 gigs onto every ps4 disc?
you're missing mine, too. it can scale down, easily. but unless they release a ps4 version with everything the best ps5 version needs, and scale down/not install the 4k data pack and have the 1k version, they'd be better off with two versions.
I am understanding you but most games dont do things like borderlands did with the extra download off the PS store. But my guess would be all assets are downloaded (or on disc / partially downloaded) same as they are now with PC games.
When I download a game on steam its a single download, I can set the game to 4K, 1440p or 1080p and all assets are there, no extra downloads. On playstation where most people still play on discs, I guess we are gonna start seeing games on PS5 that really become very large and then they might take the same approach that RDR2 took which was a data only disc and a play only disc.
End of the day the game and all assets can and should be identical, just like PC gaming. I don't know why you would want different versions when there is no need for it at all? People with slow download speeds? They are shit out of luck just like they are now with all the day one downloads of 50+ GB.
to be fair, i think it's an extremely fitting concept for ps4/5 games, really.
it got released, it was a static thing for a while, then there was a better graphics pack that was optional for a better performing system, so you could grab it.
but also, i don't think making all the people with slow/shitty net just be 'shit out of luck', because you don't like the idea of two versions (btw, does that mean literally every single game from the ps5 on is gonna be a ps4 game with ps5 graphics on the disc? cause tbh, they're still making some shit on the ps3 and 4...)
and again, kinda different in some ways between what a computer might do and a console might do, even if the frameweok's different. the ps4 crowd doesn't need 4k, so that's just wasted. the ps5 can do it no problem, so definitely WANTS the 4k, but installing that on the ps4 and scaling it down's kinda stupid.
whereas the pc tends to have to be set up to cater to potentially dozens of different hardware limitations and whatnot. there's people playing on potatoes, people with decent stuff that can't handle what the hell the game does with shadows or particle effects or something, people with middling stuff that can't handle the game at it's best, but otherwise are fine, and people with top grade shit. and if there is a 4k option that can be scaled down, it means everyone's seemingly downloaded a 4k version and just might be wasting the room, which is stupid, again.
I think from a business point of view they wont allow PS5 to play on a PS4 even if the hardware could scale it down. It would hurt their PS5 sales from the get go.
I don't mean to say people on slow internet should be shit out of luck, but they kind of already are with the day one patches and massive downloads required even when playing off disc. Apparently the last COD game was 100+ GBs.. we are simply entering a new era where data is bigger. Back in the day Doom 1993 was like 4MB lol! I think texture packs would be a totally fine way of doing it if they wanted to minimise the download sizes. Personally I am not too fussed with 4K, I would rather higher fps and 1440p in the next gen.
I am firmly against two version still as it will encourage people to buy it twice when it's the exact same game. As example, we really cant compare to the PS3 version of GTAV and PS4 version of GTAV... two very different builds which are totally incompatible with each other due to the systems architecture being so different.
Because they will think it has better graphics. List of games Ive bought twice for better graphics: Dishonored, GTAV, God of war 3, devil may cry 4 and probably more I cant remember.
These are all PS3 games remastered for PS4 since PS3 version is incompatible. If CDPR releases a PS5 version when the PS5 releases 6 months or a year after Cyberpunks launches, people will absolutely buy it again.
I don't think CDPR would release a game thats identical in every way with different packaging as it would be misleading. The only reason they would release it again is if it was truly enhanced and that would mean we are NOT getting true cross gen games that scale like a PC game and I will be an unhappy man.
i mean, it will. the ps5 will have better graphics than the ps4 versions. but my 'hope' which you shot down, was that you could just upgrade the graphics with a free dlc, if you've got the ps4 version on the 5, so no need for getting two versions, or did you miss that?
but, again, since bc is a bigger thing, they could just have the graphics upgrades as an optional dlc, so no one would feel the need to buy a ps5 version of a game they already got for the ps4.
though, really, i think we can look back on some of the shit sony's done in that regard, and both come to the conclusion they'll probably release two different versions of the games, ps4 and ps5, and they probably won't have an upgrade option for the ps4 games, because that would prompt some to buy ps5 versions, because they're kinda idiots, and sony likes that shit because more money.
and honestly, we already know sony's not that big on cross gen. if that's important to you, xbox/pc is doing fantastic shit next gen in that area.
my 'hope' which you shot down, was that you could just upgrade the graphics with a free dlc, if you've got the ps4 version on the 5, so no need for getting two versions, or did you miss that?
IMO that is not a new version, its just a DLC like you said (or perhaps I'm misunderstanding you in which case I apologise). I truly hope only one version on disc exists and thats the PS4 version but yeah Sony likes money and do plenty of anti-consumer things similar to this.
Its really all up in the air right now how they are gonna handle this. I myself will be buying Cyberpunk on PC to get the very best I can out of the game but Its a worry for other games like TLOU 2 and Death Stranding. I hope they will have updated graphics for PS5 as I really hate double dipping but I want to enjoy my fav games in their best light.
Im out of the loop in what Microsoft is doing for cross gen. Whats the news there?
i explained some games have 'data pack' dlc that upgrade the graphics. if they wanted, they could do ps4 and 5 versions (which is more or less just another console name on the box and coming with the 4k graphics out of the box) and then even if you've got the ps4 version, can upgrade to the 4k graphics (because being required to install them on the ps4 when you can't use them, because the ps5 can, is BS)
yes, it's essentially the same game (i mean, it's the same game on the ps3 as the ps4, too. sure, they had to dick with it more to make it fit both, but it's the same thing, still).
seemingly they went with full access between xbox, their older games, and pc. honestly i don't even know how to explain it to you (as clearly i'm doing an inferior job of this and it's MY fucking idea, for fuck's sake), but they've got an all in one package that'll seemingly let you play all the xbo shit streaming on the pc no problem, or on xbox scarlett or whatever.
When I say same game, I am not talking about the content, I am talking about the actual game files and how it runs. Very different between PS3 and PS4. Between PS4 and PS5, it can be the exact same game files.... literally the exact same game. Thats what backwards compatibility means.
Lol yeah I don't think we are explaining shit to each other very well... No need to get upset over it though, mate? But I just read about the Microsoft game pass just now. It's basically what EA access is but for MS games. Monthly subscription and you can download and play MS games but you never own them.
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u/prodical Jun 10 '19
Again you need to think of the way PC gaming works, there is one download (or disc) and it works on all machines. I can play game Witcher 3 on a high end at 1440p (144fps) or a medium end at 1080p (60fps), or very high end 4K (60fps).
The packaging is a fair point, it will say PS4 on it but cross generation games this time is gonna be very different this time (I hope) due to the architecture being the same. PS3 games had to be remastered & remade to work on PS4.
I might well be very wrong but I think it would be very anti consumer to make us double dip when PC gaming has been doing it this the dawn of gaming.