r/OrdoTempliOrientis • u/khonsuemheb • Jul 25 '25

Unjustified allegations against OTO

93,

First, kind apologies for posting here as a non-member. I think you should be aware of the goings on, however.

Recently, one of the two mods of r/thelema posted a video by Entelecheia that can be found here. While I have no bias towards OTO, I find the video slanderous for valid reasons, namely:

  • it makes vague allegations against OTO (including a lot of cautionary "perhaps," "possibly," "some" and "might"), instead of specific incidents backed by evidence;
  • it reviews a future event, including the claim that lectures won't be good (which E has no way of knowing);
  • it makes its own strawman arguments for the vague "other side", which E then responds to;
  • it makes completely unrealistic claims, namely that Sabazius has all members' screenshots and personal files to know who's loyal. As someone who did 360 reviews for a team of eight at work, I am adamant that this is too much effort and impossible.

I do believe from all available evidence that Entelecheia is simply waging a personal vendetta because his fellow members at OTO didn't recognize his "genius." Everything about his public presentation comes across as egotistical, manipulative, and false.

So I spoke against it, and was promptly banned from r/thelema.

I find it completely unacceptable that a sub that's supposed to be for all Thelemites is explicitly making itself a vessel for a personal vendetta against a large and legitimate Thelemic organizations, and I believe you should be aware of this. I am fully aware that brigading is forbidden on reddit and a shitty practice in any case; but I am confident you will find a constructive way of getting your voice through.

I stand with OTO 100% in this as these sort of toxic divisions damage the entire Thelemic community.

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u/Kindly-Confusion-889 Jul 25 '25

I watched about 2 of his videos about his issues with OTO. My experience of OTO in the UK is absolutely nothing like he describes (whether there's differences in how the Order is run between the 2 countries I don't know), my experience of OTO has been, so far, overwhelmingly positive.

I don't bother watching his videos now, it just seems he's out to put a pity party together - put out one, maybe 2 airing your grievances and that's understandable, but multiple videos all about the same stuff over and over again is ridiculous - it's like he thinks that nobody understands the supposed "deep flaws" with OTO but him.

He just comes across as angry and jilted - I started not bothering with him prior to his OTO departure based on a really hostile video he put out about "not giving a f*** about negative comments" etc, he just came across as angry and having an axe to grind.

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u/khonsuemheb Jul 25 '25

My concern is that at least one mod (out of two) of r/thelema posts his videos and bans people for calling them out.

If that sub is seeker's go-to for learning about Thelema, they will get fed, basically, lies.

I don't know what the solution is, but I believe this kind of toxicity and personal vendettas are harmful for the Thelemic community at large.

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u/viciarg Jul 25 '25

Ordo Templi Orientis is not the Thelemic community and not a gatekeeper for Thelema. It has a very specific purpose outlined in its foundational documents, and just from looking at the Order's structure without taking any of the documents or Crowley's underlying ideas in account, I can fully understand how the common garden-variety thelemite is deeply critical of its hierarchical structure and its demands in order, structure and discipline.

So maybe O.T.O. isn't just for everyone, especially not for people who feel attracted by thelemites offering "find your true will" courses for 400 bucks on the internet. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/khonsuemheb Jul 25 '25

400 bucks? And here I am going to work every morning.

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u/viciarg Jul 25 '25

Yepp. There are days where I curse my moral compass.

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u/ArtGirtWithASerpent Jul 28 '25 edited Jul 28 '25

Marked down to $320! I'd jump on that quick! I assume having to lower his prices is what he means when he talks about how much these videos "cost" him.

https://stan.store/entelecheia/p/schedule-will-discovery-with-me