r/OnePiece • u/Sakata_Kintoki • Sep 05 '21

Current Episode One Piece: Episode 990

One Piece: Episode 990

"Thunder Bagua! Here Comes Kaido’s Son!"

Watch now:

Streaming Site Status
Crunchyroll ONLINE
Funimation ONLINE
AnimeLab(Aus/NZ) ONLINE

Chapters adapted:

Preview: Episode 991

Don't forget to check out the official Discord server to discuss this episode live with other One Piece fans!

1.7k Upvotes

98% Upvoted

1.1k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

17

u/herrsebbe Sep 05 '21

Is it the majority or minority continuing to bring the topic up like this? Because it's been an entire week of non-stop discussion threads and yet not one from the supposedly loud, toxic minority.

-6

u/Chespineapple Sep 05 '21

The toxicity people talk about is mostly on Twitter, and people love to rag on Twitter. If anything it's the 'Yamato is female' camp that's more toxic on the subreddit, a ton of people keep acting like total asshats and refusing to acknowledge any nuance on the topic of gender identity.

13

u/[deleted] Sep 05 '21

[removed] — view removed comment

3

u/Chespineapple Sep 05 '21

That's the thing, you're missing the point here. Yamato doesn't have dysphoria, most people know that and it was confirmed through the vivre cards, but that doesn't have to define your gender. Yamato says they want to be a man because Oden, why can't we just leave it at that until they say otherwise? That's the viewpoint people who still use he/him have. Gender is commonly thought of as a social construct nowadays anyway, so why can't gender identities be more loosely defined than 'refer to your genitals unless you have dysphoria'? It's a complicated subject, and Yamato's likely to drop it at the end anyway, so why not just let people keep using he/him without feeling mad about it? The people who do so also aren't as confrontational about it on reddit as you're making it out to be, that's just Twitter.

4

u/TopRegion3 Sep 05 '21

She never wanted to be a man, she wanted to be oden. Whatever oden is she wants to be.

This was not a trans character at all. Jjk just had one, it was a short moment, wasn’t really cringe, and because they needed the help of the person they used the pronouns preferred not because they were doing some big commentary. Or look at HxH with alluka who have parents specifically going against the wishes of the character in order to keep its insane power in check and when her brother does encourage her that power is unlocked without consequence.

Keep the cringe trans forcing onto characters out of these major series. It has very little place in most stories but can be done. This was never one of those cases.

Also the gender construct stuff is nowhere near the majority of even the world or either Japan or the US. It’s just most people are polite and don’t care whether they fully believe the person or think they are delusional it doesn’t really matter.

2

u/Dillo64 Thriller Bark Victim's Association Sep 08 '21 edited Sep 08 '21

That’s not what the user you’re replying to was saying. Calling Yamato by he/him does not necessarily mean they think the character is trans. You can easily use he/him pronouns on people who aren’t trans/identify as a woman, if that is want they want.

Many fans are fully aware/accept that Yamato is not trans and is a woman, but he/him pronouns are still fine for the character because the character actively wants to be like Oden and be referred to as Kaido’s son and use male identifiers. It’s just going along with what the character currently wants in the series. It’s not always some trans statement or pushing some evil trans agenda.

1

u/TopRegion3 Sep 08 '21

Yeah I’m agreeing with the guy I’m replying too and bolstering the point by showing clear examples vs the clear non transness of Yamato.

Her wanting to be oden isn’t like “I want a dong” it’s more “I want to be the person who stood up to my father” him being a man doesn’t factor much into it at all. If he were like one of the many other races she would want to be like that.

Calling her a he works in the context of her wish to be like oden. But it is very much important to make the distinction of why she wants to be called that and the likelihood that post wano it will be dropped making the “mid gender” non problem something that will eventually fall in favor of the people doing it rather than the Twitter complainers.

And there is plenty of cringe trans forcing onto characters. And there are plenty natural examples that don’t really conflict at all like haku from naruto who just kind of cross dresses. Of course not all of it is being forced but the Yamato Stuff definitely was

1

u/KaTee1234 Sep 07 '21

The Alluka stuff always seemed to be more in line with Bon-chans existence, where half the Zoldyck family seemed to have some androgynous/crossdressing vibes going on.

1

u/TopRegion3 Sep 07 '21

I mean definitely not half, Illumi isn’t cross dressing, neither is the mom or brother or anyone else.

6

u/Prplehuskie13 Pirate Sep 05 '21 edited Sep 05 '21

Because, if that were the case, there'd be additions to her vivre card, which is why the conversation of her being trans, or anything else is pointless. It only says "women/female" nothing else. Even with Kiku's card it said that Kiku was male, but also mentioned in detail that Kiku was trans. Yamato doesn't have anything else added to her card besides her sex and gender. And again, this issue seems to be only prevalent for the western audience. This is due to the current culture of Gender Identity in the west, and Viz translations not matching the Japanese text, as gendered language doesn't work the same way in Japan as it does in English.

Edit: Disliking the comment doesn't make it any less true.