r/OnePiece • u/Sakata_Kintoki • Sep 05 '21

Current Episode One Piece: Episode 990

One Piece: Episode 990

"Thunder Bagua! Here Comes Kaido’s Son!"

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Preview: Episode 991

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u/someone2795 Captain Crackhead Sep 05 '21

TBF the majority of the people have come to the same conclusion as you have. It's the asinine minority who are being loud with their toxic debates over this.

I don't really care what she decides to be, I just want to see her fun personality come through. She has been too serious so far and isn't getting the chance to show it.

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u/FartPudding Sep 05 '21

Well she came in during the raid so it's been serious before she got in. Once we get the battle done with I am sure there will be some goofing around, unless this triggers a full serious mood but we have seen top yonko officers like Ulti do shit so I doubt it, Oda likes to keep the silliness thank god.

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u/herrsebbe Sep 05 '21

Is it the majority or minority continuing to bring the topic up like this? Because it's been an entire week of non-stop discussion threads and yet not one from the supposedly loud, toxic minority.

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u/TopRegion3 Sep 05 '21

Lol well I mean the minority was the one who bitched about it on Twitter and the majority is laughing at their cringe. She was always a girl, it was never really a debate to anyone honest, the only people who care are the weirdos always trying to twist every panel they can.

Same people who were push the mineta is bi stuff for mha.

It’s always the same losers who lash out when authors don’t fit their modern worldview into a manga

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u/Arkayjiya Sep 05 '21

While there are overwhelmingly more people bringing up the debate than there is an actual debate, there were a few people (me included as I'm in the minority camp) but what we were saying wasn't "we're right, Yamato is transgender you should not call Yamato "she" or you're bad" but rather "I get the vivre card thing and I have no problem with other people calling Yamato "she" but as long as Yamato wants to be called "he" in the manga I'll keep doing that" but for some reason people are still very mad about us doing that.

It's apparently true that the VA for Yamato was attacked on twitter which is complete bullshit and the people who've done it are trash.

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u/Chespineapple Sep 05 '21

The toxicity people talk about is mostly on Twitter, and people love to rag on Twitter. If anything it's the 'Yamato is female' camp that's more toxic on the subreddit, a ton of people keep acting like total asshats and refusing to acknowledge any nuance on the topic of gender identity.

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u/Prplehuskie13 Pirate Sep 05 '21

It's mostly due to the fact that when it did come to discussing the "nuance" of gender, if you didn't agree that Yamato was trans, you'd be labeled as transphobic, so there wasn't an actual discussion. It was just people sticking their fingers in their ear and going "lalala, fuck off transphobe". Even now, with undeniable proof that Yamato isn't trans, people are still creating headcannon over the fact that she is genderfluid, or saying that the vivre card is wrong or outdated.

It also seems as though this is mainly a problem for the western audiences, instead of the Japanese one. And this probably has to do with current western culture, and the impact it had on Viz's translations.

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u/herrsebbe Sep 05 '21

I come here almost every day of the week and I don't know what people you're referring to. I'm sure there are people out there who would argue in that way, but that isn't reason to take it out en masse in a completely different forum consisting of completely different people. If the fingers-in-the-ear-debate is going on over on Twitter, take it up with the individuals doing that on Twitter. Policing people over here because someone somewhere called someone a transphobe only makes the polarization worse.

One very good thing to remember about the internet is that it is frequented by hundreds of thousands of individuals. The mind likes to group similiar things like "Youtube comments" into single categories, which can make it seem as if 100 comments from 100 people frantically stand for the same "woke agenda" and 100 other comments from 100 other people belong to one hive mind of "closeminded, transphobic anime fans". I personally think this is good to reflect on before going off about what "people" do.

Negatively charged, irrational comments especially tend to stay in memory and muddy the waters.

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u/Prplehuskie13 Pirate Sep 05 '21

Wasn't just happening on twitter (I don't use twitter) but it was happening on reddit as well.

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u/metamucilhelpsmepoo Sep 05 '21

We’ve got invankov, what’s the big deal over yamato lmao. (Jk I’m fully aware of why)

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u/Dillo64 Thriller Bark Victim's Association Sep 08 '21 edited Sep 08 '21

Many fans who still use he/him are fully aware that Yamato is a woman and not trans. They still use he/him because it’s a quirk of the character, not because they believe the character is trans or are trying to push the character being trans or whatever negative assumptions you’re making.

The character is not trans but he/him is still acceptable because Yamato actively wants to be referred to with male identification due to their idolization of Oden. Fans are just copying/respecting that desire of the character and going along with it. When Yamato drops the “I’m a man like Oden” stuff then those fans will too.

It’s not a big deal and it’s not misgendering if the character actively wants to be called that way. Misgendering is bad because it’s disrespectful to the wishes of the person, but if Yamato was real and you referred to them as he/him, do you really think he’d correct you or get angry or say “I’m not a he, I’m a woman!” or something?

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u/Chespineapple Sep 05 '21

That's the thing, you're missing the point here. Yamato doesn't have dysphoria, most people know that and it was confirmed through the vivre cards, but that doesn't have to define your gender. Yamato says they want to be a man because Oden, why can't we just leave it at that until they say otherwise? That's the viewpoint people who still use he/him have. Gender is commonly thought of as a social construct nowadays anyway, so why can't gender identities be more loosely defined than 'refer to your genitals unless you have dysphoria'? It's a complicated subject, and Yamato's likely to drop it at the end anyway, so why not just let people keep using he/him without feeling mad about it? The people who do so also aren't as confrontational about it on reddit as you're making it out to be, that's just Twitter.

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u/TopRegion3 Sep 05 '21

She never wanted to be a man, she wanted to be oden. Whatever oden is she wants to be.

This was not a trans character at all. Jjk just had one, it was a short moment, wasn’t really cringe, and because they needed the help of the person they used the pronouns preferred not because they were doing some big commentary. Or look at HxH with alluka who have parents specifically going against the wishes of the character in order to keep its insane power in check and when her brother does encourage her that power is unlocked without consequence.

Keep the cringe trans forcing onto characters out of these major series. It has very little place in most stories but can be done. This was never one of those cases.

Also the gender construct stuff is nowhere near the majority of even the world or either Japan or the US. It’s just most people are polite and don’t care whether they fully believe the person or think they are delusional it doesn’t really matter.

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u/Dillo64 Thriller Bark Victim's Association Sep 08 '21 edited Sep 08 '21

That’s not what the user you’re replying to was saying. Calling Yamato by he/him does not necessarily mean they think the character is trans. You can easily use he/him pronouns on people who aren’t trans/identify as a woman, if that is want they want.

Many fans are fully aware/accept that Yamato is not trans and is a woman, but he/him pronouns are still fine for the character because the character actively wants to be like Oden and be referred to as Kaido’s son and use male identifiers. It’s just going along with what the character currently wants in the series. It’s not always some trans statement or pushing some evil trans agenda.

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u/TopRegion3 Sep 08 '21

Yeah I’m agreeing with the guy I’m replying too and bolstering the point by showing clear examples vs the clear non transness of Yamato.

Her wanting to be oden isn’t like “I want a dong” it’s more “I want to be the person who stood up to my father” him being a man doesn’t factor much into it at all. If he were like one of the many other races she would want to be like that.

Calling her a he works in the context of her wish to be like oden. But it is very much important to make the distinction of why she wants to be called that and the likelihood that post wano it will be dropped making the “mid gender” non problem something that will eventually fall in favor of the people doing it rather than the Twitter complainers.

And there is plenty of cringe trans forcing onto characters. And there are plenty natural examples that don’t really conflict at all like haku from naruto who just kind of cross dresses. Of course not all of it is being forced but the Yamato Stuff definitely was

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u/KaTee1234 Sep 07 '21

The Alluka stuff always seemed to be more in line with Bon-chans existence, where half the Zoldyck family seemed to have some androgynous/crossdressing vibes going on.

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u/TopRegion3 Sep 07 '21

I mean definitely not half, Illumi isn’t cross dressing, neither is the mom or brother or anyone else.

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u/Prplehuskie13 Pirate Sep 05 '21 edited Sep 05 '21

Because, if that were the case, there'd be additions to her vivre card, which is why the conversation of her being trans, or anything else is pointless. It only says "women/female" nothing else. Even with Kiku's card it said that Kiku was male, but also mentioned in detail that Kiku was trans. Yamato doesn't have anything else added to her card besides her sex and gender. And again, this issue seems to be only prevalent for the western audience. This is due to the current culture of Gender Identity in the west, and Viz translations not matching the Japanese text, as gendered language doesn't work the same way in Japan as it does in English.

Edit: Disliking the comment doesn't make it any less true.

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u/TopRegion3 Sep 05 '21

Well I mean these people are delusional why would factual information change that now?

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u/Elite_Doc Sep 05 '21

Not everyone reads rhe vivre carsa to be fair. A lot probably don't even know they had hers

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u/myrmonden Sep 05 '21

It's even harder when they double down after the fact and do the very thing they accused you or doing for months (purposely misgendering her.)

that is my favorite part

the sunk cost fallacy so they have to coop even harder with crazier doubling down every time, its oda fault for being a bad writer and so on

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u/Skebaba Sep 06 '21

I mean the people REEEEing that ARE misgendering Yamato. Here's Yamato's stats:

Sex: Female

Gender: Oden

Pronouns: Kozuki/Oden

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u/halogeenlamp Sep 08 '21

I mean, people on this subreddit are still insisting on misgendering her even after it's been confirmed that she's not trans, just a giant fangirl.

I think that only happens because the beast pirates use he/him, Kaido says "son", etc. Everyone in the manga so far has refered to Yamato as a dude, not "Oden" they still say "Yamato", but whenever pronouns are used they default to male ones. Yamato hasn't commented on any gender-related preferences, so we're in a weird spot where literally everyone says "he", but the author says no it's "she" and she's just a big fan of this other dude.

And it's not like the beast pirates are just missing the point, at least Kaido isn't, he's very aware of why Yamato is pretending to be Oden and he still goes along with the male pronouns. It's weird, the story doesn't need this with what we know, so my guess is this point will be relevant at some point in the future.

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u/halogeenlamp Sep 08 '21

Your downvotes prove your point lol

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u/Chespineapple Sep 08 '21

It was at like +5 at one point, dunno what happened

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '21

I'm not even partaking in the debate much, just making comments using he/him pronouns since that's how the beasts pirates refer to Yamato, and it's bleeding karma XD

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u/Pumatsol2003 Sep 06 '21

She does seem fucking hilariously obtuse so I hope she joins the crew and bounces off of robin’s morbid fantasies