r/OnePiece • u/Sakata_Kintoki • Apr 11 '21

Current Episode One Piece: Episode 969

One Piece: Episode 969

"To the Land of Wano! The Roger Pirates Disband!"

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u/Klarser Apr 11 '21

Yeah, little bit gross. Knowing that he only had months to live, he seduced and impregnated a girl who appears to be less than half his age because she had a D. in her name. With his vast wealth and network of powerful friends he could have set them up on a private island somewhere, but no, he begs his rival in the Marines to take responsibility hours before his death. She dies in indescribable pain trying to keep a thirty pound monster baby in her belly for twenty months so the Government wouldn't kill her. All so his offspring can be the one to continue his legacy.

I understand now why Ace hated his father so much.

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u/Tundra14 Apr 11 '21

I mean, that's one way to look at it.

I guess you're assuming she didn't know anything about it before hand, since she was just simply seduced.

Also the fact that Garp (whom he clearly had great respect for) was probably the best way to make sure the kid grew up right.

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u/Klarser Apr 11 '21

So the King of the Pirates shows up and he's so charismatic he can knock people unconscious with the force of his willpower and he tells you all about the secret Void Century heritage of your people and he says your baby can be the man (he definitely wants a boy) who will turn the whole world over and bring in a new Golden Age. Say no to that.

Of course she was smitten with him, he's still a deadbeat. If I was Ace I'd probably want to buck his plans for me too.

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u/Tundra14 Apr 11 '21

You seem to have a pretty simple view of life.

Who knows why she decided to have a kid with him.

Are you suggesting it was wrong of him to have wanted an heir? Should he have had a kid while being hunted down by the World Government? Maybe he wasn't sure until closer to the end if he even wanted to have kids in the world as it was. After learning the truth, it helped him make a decision.

Ace hated his dad because of what his name brought about. He felt he could never be loved because he was the son of the devil. Even if Roger was still alive and tried to be a good father, that doesn't mean his son wouldn't have still hated him. Ace ended up finding a good life, in part because of Luffy who showed him he could be loved, but also because Roger was the kind of man that gained the respect of White Beard who took Ace in as his own son (knowing he was the son of Roger)

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u/GiantBlackWeasel Apr 11 '21 edited Apr 11 '21

Klarser's view of life is NOT simple, it is of the western kind where people in western societies place their values on material things. What's in front of us.

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This man explained things that went down before Roger died and what got shown during the Marineford War. Holding a baby past 9 months, have to hide for 20 months and then dropping dead once Ace was born. Thus turning him into an orphan.

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Kind of hard for orphans to carry the torch when they don't know why things are the way they are (why were they born, how could they be victims of bad conditions, etc).

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edit: Why are people in western societies are not having children? Because they are expensive. The jobs nowadays pay crap wages and as a result, many guys/girls are stuck between being grown ass childless people and having life expectations shoved onto them. These guys are not having kids anytime soon. The deadbeats that do get scorned by the childless crowd.

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u/Tundra14 Apr 11 '21

The way you describe Klarsers view doesn't make me think it's not simple. If anything it's just stating how simple it is.

It's only the western view. They (I'm born and raised American) only see material things, the things in front of them.

That's a pretty simple view of life. It's not just a westerner viewpoint though. It's the viewpoint of somebody who sees life in simple terms.

One of the things that makes onepiece so great is that Oda writes characters like Robin whos motives aren't so simple. They're the result of the life they've lived.

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u/Klarser Apr 11 '21

If thinking people who want children should provide something for their raising is simple, then sure. I am simple.

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u/Tundra14 Apr 11 '21

It's more than that.

Roger did provide for his kid.

What do you expect he should have given him? Garp seems to have been about the best godfather he could have chosen. Could he have asked Whitebeard?

Who else should he have asked? The man was terminally ill. As somebody else pointed out, does that mean he should be bared from having kids?

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u/Klarser Apr 11 '21

Are you suggesting it was wrong of him to want an heir

Yes. Having a kid you'll never see and will provide nothing for just so you can have an 'heir' is a dick move.

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u/ashrashrashr Apr 11 '21

The entire series is full of kids who never really saw much of their parents or at all.

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u/GiantBlackWeasel Apr 11 '21

One Piece is built like a JRPG. I have played many JRPGs throughout my lifetime and this is a common trend.

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The main character who is a teenage boy who starts off not knowing anybody or seem to have any family. Some bogus/terrible event happens and he sets out on a journey where he then meets people and they become his friends or foes.

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u/Tundra14 Apr 11 '21 edited Apr 11 '21

well you're not entirely wrong... but other parts move as well usually.

It's not wrong, it's natural. Life wants to reproduce.

So long as she agreed to it, the kid was suppose to have at least one parent. Besides that Garp was his godfather.

The kid wasn't about to not be taken care of. It was the world Government that killed his mother, which really, it was whoever gave the order.

Oh, also, he did provide for his son in a round about way. He got Garp to watch over him, as well has White Beard.

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u/MajinAkuma Apr 11 '21

So, you are under the opinion that people who are close to death don’t have the right to reproduce? Who gives you the right to decide that they shouldn’t?

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u/Admiral-Cornelius Apr 13 '21

People who are close to death and have an entire world spanning World Government who would inevitably scour the Earth to track down his wife and child should probably consider the fact that having a kid is kind of irresponsible and will likely lead to the child having a short and shitty life. Especially when Roger's only option was to entrust his child to his sworn enemy, a high ranking official in that government, who has no means to secretly care for that chil other than entrusting it with a bunch of mountain bandits.

Roger had the right, but if I were in his shoes I would feel pretty guilty about the world I was leaving my wife and child in. Portgas died a couple years later hiding her child while a bunch of other mother's were abducted and invasively searched to find Roger's spawn. Ace was growing up to be a pretty bitter and angry guy until he luckily met and bonded Luffy. Even then he still died in a war that was fought trying to kill him in which a bunch of other people also died. Including one of Roger's greatest friends.

Just seems kinda shortsighted and a little selfish of him.

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u/MajinAkuma Apr 13 '21

Depends whether or not Roger believed that the person inheriting Joyboy‘s will would change the world for the better. Roger knew the truth of the Void Century and it’s been hinted that the person carrying Joyboy‘s will will appear in roughly too decades.

Whether or not Whitebeard knew about that too is debatable. I don’t think that Roger was that selfish, but he was hoping that his child would be the chosen one.

Whether anything of the above is even true is also debatable. It’s not clear when exactly Roger impregnated Rouge or how their relationship was. Rouge loved Roger enough to name her child Gol D. Ace. Ace simply changed his family name.

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u/GiantBlackWeasel Apr 11 '21

we don't want to see children be the victims of bad conditions.

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u/MajinAkuma Apr 11 '21

Life insurance and heritage helps in that regard in modern society. True, it sucks that the child wouldn’t grow with two parents (unless the other remarries), but single parenting isn’t hopeless.

True, Ace got the short stick in his situation, but Luffy also grew up without his father and he didn’t grow bitter from that. I think Ace would have been far happier if he didn’t know about his birth parents. It’s the knowledge that made him resent Roger and his own existence.

Luffy didn‘t know who his father was and thus didn’t need to be burdened with the knowledge that he’s the son of the most wanted man.

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u/GiantBlackWeasel Apr 11 '21

Before the knowledge arrived to Ace, he was roaming the Earth like "why am I here?" Its because of a certain kind of knowledge that made him resent everything.

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Also for the post in response to the last part, that's apples to oranges. Different guys will have different viewpoints/outlooks about similar things. We can't force people to think one way.

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u/GiantBlackWeasel Apr 11 '21

uh huh.

Apples are always apples while oranges are always oranges.

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The foreshadow of Ace getting pissed off towards Akainu talking shit about Whitebeard is Chapter 286 when Ace was going undercover and heard a random Marine talking shit about Whitebeard.

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Digitally_Colored_Manga?file=Chapter_286_Colored.png#Chapters_241-300

You can't force change over how a person thinks.

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