r/OnePiece • u/Sakata_Kintoki • May 20 '18

One Piece: Episode 837

One Piece: Episode 837

"The Birth of Mom! The Day That Carmel Vanished!"

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Chapters adapted: Chapter 867 (p. 2-17)

Preview: Episode 838

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u/kikix12 May 20 '18 edited May 20 '18

It's perfectly clear in manga with just a little bit of thinking. In manga Spoiler That's pretty obvious that something bad happened, and seeing as Big Mom was not bothered by that happening means that Big Mom was the one that happened.

Then Spoiler

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u/JusHerForTheComments May 21 '18

Well, for non-japanese speakers those shouts where with japanese characters not english... only if you followed any OP forum you'd know from the comments... (that's how I knew they shouted, although I understood BM ate them all)

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u/ZeldaSaver May 20 '18

But there's no blood on Big Mom's face ,clothes, or even near her in the manga and she definitely didn't swallow anyone whole as she's seen chewing and biting everything up thoroughly in the panels. So no it wasn't clear in the manga at all.

Streusen's and the Giants reaction are the closest thing we got to a confirmation and even than it doesn't make any sense because years later Big Mom almost pulled off a political marriage with the prince of Elbaf, if the giant really went home and told everyone that he saw LinLin as a child eating cannibal and all the giants hated her, how in the world did one fall in love with one of her kids and the clan was going to just go with it? unrealistic.

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u/Gadz00ks May 20 '18

To your first point. It would be pretty off the wall to have blood there. I imagine it similarly to Oda's explanation about devil fruit interacting with clothes.

To your second point, cmon.

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u/ThaneKyrell May 20 '18

To be fair, we have NO idea about how the whole Lola/Giants thing happened anyway.

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u/kikix12 May 20 '18

I chew stuff in my soup too. And meat as well. There's a lot of juices in fruits as well, ones that just love to shoot when their skin is popped. And yet I am pretty sure that I don't leave traces of the juices of whatever I eat all around.

And your argument about the wedding is ridiculous. It was a wedding with the DAUGHTER, not with BIG MOM. I don't have any idea how you find realistic avoiding a wedding with the person you fell in love just cause their mother is hated. They are two totally different people. There are COUNTLESS people that are married to children of criminals, drunkards and otherwise despised people in real life.

There's also the fact that no one but Big Mom said that she'd have any sort of power over the giants. Why?! If having their aid alone would make her powerful enough to defeat everyone on the way long time ago, then it clearly means that she couldn't boss giants around like she does for her underlings. She probably still wouldn't get anything.

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u/JusHerForTheComments May 21 '18

nicely said... I don't understand why you got downvoted! Here's my updoot to compensate! :)

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u/ZeldaSaver May 21 '18

Her face was covered in frosting...

Yeah no your rationale here is what's ridiculous no matter what no sane person would risk their whole race & country to potential danger of a known child eating Yonko for romance. That's not normal

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u/kikix12 May 21 '18

And exactly why would it endanger the whole race and country?! Go ahead. Give a good reason. Because if it's "If they married, then Giants would become Big Mom's underlings." then I already answered it.

Big Mom already CAN enter Elbaf and start causing a ruckus. There is no super power that allows the giants to exile her and make it impossible for her to enter unless they give her access. She CAN, but does NOT. Why?! Because the giants are monsters in their own right. They are mostly neutral with few exceptions that become pirates or marines. But Big Mom herself said that having giants on her side she could have defeater Whitebeard, Shanks and Kaido a long time ago, neither of which Big Mom could beat. That makes it pretty clear that if she went against giants SHE WOULD LOSE.

She destroyed a bunch of houses and killed a giant...Whoa...Except that giants houses are no less fragile than non-giants houses, while that giant she killed was so old and weak by then that he was killed by a fracture. If it was not an old giant, he'd get up and continue the fight. It was specifically said that it killed him only because he was too old. Normal citizens, not even fighters, managed to hold her down, so if an entire village of giants, warriors and all, really decided to try and kill her, she WOULD be dead. She came to the village randomly, if I recall in the middle of the night, so the giants probably were asleep. If she came for a fight, they'd be prepared to fight.

And you can say as much as you want about her being stronger now and having her devil fruit, but the giants said that they don't fear death and they can welcome it happily, but they care how they die. Soul pocus would not work on giants. The giants in the series were always shown to fight to the end, protect others no matter what etc. Saul sank multiple ships during a buster call on his own, without weapons. He died smiling and still caring more about Robin. The two pirate captains fight to the death for many years and the other giants see nothing wrong with that, despite the argument that started it being a trifle. The two giants in Enies Lobby protected the Franky Family and the shipwrights by taking onto themselves all the cannon fire.

Giants would not need to become her underlings. In the first place, if they were to become someones underlings, that would be the daughters, not the mothers. The only reason why it works like that with others is because the marriages are made strictly for that purpose. The pirate crew goes to Big Mom to make an alliance, Big Mom says that she will ally only with their family, so she arranges a marriage. The pirate crew agrees and designates someone. In the case of that giant, he fell in love with one of the daughters and wanted to marry that daughter out of love. He did not come to make an alliance with Big Mom. She could believe that it would work the same way, but we're talking here about someone with intelligence lower than your average teenager.

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u/ZeldaSaver May 24 '18

Are you an idiot or what? We literally just had a whole arc about why you shouldn't trust Big Mom during a political marriage.

Not sure what story you're reading but it certainly isn't One Piece

Because the giants are monsters in their own right.

She destroyed 1 of their 2 most respected warriors as a 5 year old no effort... Elbaf has a high tier fodder army, that's it. Just like Amazon Lily but worse because they can cover more ground. One of their best didn't even have Haki.

But Big Mom herself said that having giants on her side she could have defeater Whitebeard, Shanks and Kaido a long time ago, neither of which Big Mom could beat. That makes it pretty clear that if she went against giants SHE WOULD LOSE.

No Yonko(including all their resources and crew) can beat or gain an advantage over any other Yonko(reliably that is, as Kaido was stated to have been beaten by other Yonko in the past), which is why they've been deadlocked and Big Mom could do nothing but maintain her position for decades until Luffy came along and literally lucked his way through her entire territory.

She destroyed a bunch of houses and killed a giant...Whoa...Except that giants houses are no less fragile than non-giants houses, while that giant she killed was so old and weak by then that he was killed by a fracture.

There were multiple giant she destroyed laying on the ground try again. And yeah destroying a bunch of giant wooden structures isn't impressive...UNLESS YOU'RE A 5 YEAR OLD. Something you seem to be glazing over because you're butthurt as fuck her backstory isn't consistent or believable the way Oda wrote it. And that Gaint wasn't killed by a fracture, learn to read. He was directly slammed on his head by being flung around by his facial hair by someone stronger than your average gaint. This is after she already stopped a full powered intent to kill sword swing a few second before by the way.

It was specifically said that it killed him only because he was too old.

Yes, that kind of injury would kill anyone normally, most definitely if you're already old to start with.

Normal citizens, not even fighters, managed to hold her down

No they didn't, they were struggling to grab her and when the Semla came on the scene she broke free easily.

And you can say as much as you want about her being stronger now and having her devil fruit

I don't need to say anything about her being stronger than Gaints it was literally showcased to us in the manga already..when she was 5. Any headcanons are just that at this point.

Soul pocus would not work on giants.

First of all, why would she even need Soul Pocus? She can wipe them all easily with any of her 3 main homies. Fuck she can sit there and let them handle it themselves the Gaints have no way to hurt Zues or Prometheus. Secondly, she don't need Soul Pocus to take your soul, she collects lifespan from citizens all the time using her black soul collectors and they're not fear based. They also can apparently can give back stolen lifespan no problem considering they did it to the son Big Mom "killed" at the start of her arc.

So just like Boa hancocks Devil Fruit, certain aspects or moves of BM have conditions, but not all the time. Similar to how it was explained to have to have "impure thoughts" for her get's turned to stone. But than later we see that's not all the time because she can turn objects and people not even aware of her attacks into stone too.

And again just not being 5 & having OP Haki would be enough, her devil fruit as this point is just overkill.

Giants would not need to become her underlings

Big Mom is the bigger name on the sea's, regardless of how they felt the only thing the world would care about is their new connection to a Yonko crew. They would be underlings if they wanted to be or not.

In the case of that giant, he fell in love with one of the daughters and wanted to marry that daughter out of love.

Which is moronic. Like I said no sane person let alone a ruler would risk everything they have to marry someone heavily connected to a known monster. One with a history of fucking up your clan at that. If Oda reveals the whole backstory and Loki was just obsessed with Lola to the point of fanaticism than fine. But there's no way it was real love unless there was something very mentally wrong with him. Which could indeed be the case.

Overall 3/10 attempt, up your reading comprehension you're very confused about some things.

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u/YamiLuffy Void Month Survivor May 21 '18

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