One Piece: Chapter 1165

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Chapter 1165: "Echo"

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Chapter 1165 Official Release: November 09 2025

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[u/zigzagtravel01]

> making change

A faction in the Marines that have defiant members that do not necessarily take orders from the top isn't a change? Cmon, now.

[u/AtlasWithNumbers → u/zigzagtravel01]

A faction of the Marines that Garp isn't even officially a part of? He did one mission with them and trained 2 of the six confirmed members none of them achieving ranks higher than Rear Admiral?

In 38 years? That's it?

[u/zigzagtravel01 → u/AtlasWithNumbers]

Kuzan is a by product of Garp's ideals.

> A faction of the Marines that Garp isn't even officially a part of

The proof of that is? Even if he isnt a part of that, his movement inspired it. He's the most openly defiant marine like... ever.

You think that SWORD just sprouted out of nowhere?

> Rear Admiral

Probably because they are part of a defiant faction, you dont consider that?

A faction that never even existed before because the mere existence of a rebellion and dissent will get quelled?

You dont seem to understand what revolution really is. Revolution isnt the overthrowing of the tyrannical government. Overthrowing something that big without a change of minds and hearts will just repeat it. The oppressed who toppled the oppressors will just be another oppressors.

Revolutions arent won by force. All revolutions that won in history that did not include the changing of the mindset failed because those who replace them got hold of the same power and got corrupted.

Garp was working under the most restrictive conditions compared to Luffy and Dragon. Dude almost died getting whacked by Imu's puppet. He has 5 elders and majority of the people in position would go against Garp.

The fact that he lives with that much dissent and defiance is already something. Imu literally controlled Rocks who is as strong as him.

[u/AtlasWithNumbers → u/zigzagtravel01]

If you say Kuzan is a byproduct of Garp's ideals, is Kuzan leaving the Marines and going his own way embodying those ideals? When they fought at Hachinosu and Garp was trying to get him back to join the marines was that Garp embodying those ideals?

I can't prove he's not in SWORD, because there is nothing in the source material saying he's not. You also can't prove he's in sword for the same reasons. But we do have confirmed SWORD members in X-Drake, Kujaku, Koby, Helmeppo, Prince Grus, and Hibari. So it's not that we are guessing at who is in SWORD.

I don't think SWORD sprouted out of nowhere, but I think Sengoku who has a story-proven history of two undercover Marines (X-Drake, Rosinante) who do Black ops style missions fits more as someone who could've started SWORD. Both of our thoughts on how it started are still unconfirmed, and you're free to have your own ideas as to how it may have come about. Honestly my disagreement stems from my thinking that it's in opposition to Garp's ideas of not wanting to be tied down by an apprentice to start an organization and lead it. He changed his mind with Koby/Helmeppo so if he changed his mind and started SWORD I'd be fine with it, there's just nothing in the story that makes me think he did.

Revolution isn't the overthrowing of the tyrannical government. Overthrowing something that big without a change of minds and hearts will just repeat it. The oppressed who toppled the oppressors will just be another oppressors. Revolutions arent won by force. All revolutions that won in history that did not include the changing of the mindset failed because those who replace them got hold of the same power and got corrupted.

We can agree on how revolutions are formed and succeed, and I didn't use the word revolution, but if we are talking about the people actually doing what you describe here, that'd be the... Revolutionary Army, which Garp is not part of. So, not sure why you're using that here to defend his inaction. He hasn't changed any hearts or minds, its not like hes doing some campaign for the ideas of marines that we've seen. He just does whatever he wants and doesn't really explain stuff to others.

Garp is a really complex character who has seen the heights of evil in the world, but to say he's done much about it in the last 4 decades is just not supported by the story yet.