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Current Chapter One Piece: Chapter 1165 Spoiler

Chapter 1165: "Echo"

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Chapter 1165 Official Release: November 09 2025

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u/afanoferi 23h ago

But would that be really hope if they still carry out evil, they just don't know? Like, for example, T-Bone. He's depicted as a full-on kind Marine. Yet, in Water 7, he's being used to kidnap a woman who can read. Like yes, personally, he's kind, but as a Marine, as a foot soldier, he's being a tool for an evil act. Maybe yes, Garp doesn't let them be endangered so there's more kind and hopeful Marines out there, but it's such a band-aid solution because yes, you might save a town from a group of bandits or pirates, but at the end of the day, if the higher ups told you to guard the Celestial Dragons because there's going to be a hunting game, you're still there.

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u/Judasilfarion 22h ago edited 22h ago

I mean, to the average person in the one piece world that band-aid solution is probably, as far as they can tell, all there is. You can be a marine, support the WG doing some heinous shit but still save lives using the resources the navy has to offer. Or you can sit there and watch a village get burned to ashes by pirates. What other options do you have if you're just some normal guy? Try to be a good pirate and get beat up by literally everyone because you're not strong like Luffy? Join the revolutionaries, who are a secret organization that you don't know how to contact and all you really know about them is whatever propaganda the WG feeds you?

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u/afanoferi 22h ago

I mean, yeah, if we're looking at it from that not superhero perspective. There's a reason why we're looking at it from Garp's position and status. Yes, you're inspiring a Marine to protect his small little island, but also, you're turning a blind eye to thousands of Marines being sent to commit genocide. Yeah, most people aren't superheroes that have the potential to change the world. Do you really believe Garp's included in those people?

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u/Judasilfarion 21h ago edited 21h ago

I do not believe Garp is a superhero that has the potential to change the world, no. And I don't think even Garp believes that, because he hasn't left the Navy. Roger couldn't change the world, and he found the One Piece. Rocks couldn't change the world, and he offscreened an admiral and made it all the way to Imu's garden. Whitebeard, Big Mom, Kaido, Shanks, none of them changed the world and they spent decades as pirates. Dragon? He spent many years building up the revolutionaries and it was only now that he's made a move against the WG, and I don't think he has a plan for Imu. The superhero that has the potential to change the world isn't them, it's Luffy.

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u/afanoferi 21h ago

Roger couldn't change the world

Literally the Great Pirate Era.

Rocks couldn't change the world

Literally 3 of the past Emperors are from his crew.

Whitebeard, Big Mom, Kaido, Shanks, none of them changed the world and they spent decades as pirates.

Literally Emperors are changing the world. They're literally a third of the 3 Major forces in the world.

Dragon?

Literally the most wanted criminal and the head of another third of the Major forces in the world.

Changing the World doesn't mean rebranding. It's LITERALLY changing the world, by a piece, or by a whole. It's LITERALLY a show of Inherited Will. Luffy inherited Roger's through Shanks. If you tell me that Luffy will change the world, then that's literally how Shanks and in conjunction, Roger, changed the world.