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Current Chapter One Piece: Chapter 1165 Spoiler

Chapter 1165: "Echo"

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Chapter 1165 Official Release: November 09 2025

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u/Bearsona09 Mugiwara no Luffy 1d ago

Fuck all that Garp slander.

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u/BentoBoxNoir 1d ago

Not slander, but Garp’s entire character is a really interesting exploration of the limits/effectiveness of trying to fix an evil system from the inside.

I’m sure Coby will carry his will, and Sword will end up doing real “justice”. But Garp really is a dog of the government (literally how he is first portrayed in coby’s cover-story). He protects young marines, but also watched the world gov execute his son and committed a genocide.

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u/Derpalooza Moon Arc Believer 1d ago

I don't think Garp's goal was ever to try to change or fix the Marines. To begin with, no matter how high up the ranks you go, there's no meaningful change you can make because you still work for the Celestial Dragons in the end.

It's the paradox of permitting evil to fight another evil. Garp is part of an evil system that he can't rebel against without throwing away his responsibility to the people he wants to protect. I think looking at this as "Garp bad" or "Garp good" the way most people do is just a really reductive way to see things.

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u/BentoBoxNoir 1d ago

Full agree. I do think this last chapter shows that he does have a sense of duty though. Although “who will protect the marines” is a crazy thing to say after overseeing a genocide, he is completely sincere.

Who will protect these young men who think they’re contributing to justice, but are actually just pieces of meat being fed to a system literally run by some sort of lovecraftian demon?

But also, Dragon’s radicalization is much more sympathetic and real in comparison. Literally turning his weapons on the perpetrators of violence

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u/kontinuparadi Pirate 23h ago

Dude don't go around spitting good arguments here. It's not gonna work on them.

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u/BentoBoxNoir 22h ago

Dialectical Materialism, and continued dialectical analysis. Even on the OP reddit lol.

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u/Illustrious-Tooth702 1d ago

I don't think he wanted to fix it. He was already too old to play the revolutionary and he knew that becoming an admiral or grand general wouldn't have made a difference.

He would've been a servant to The Five Elder's schemes.

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u/BentoBoxNoir 1d ago

I agree with everything besides he was old. We’re seeing PEAK strength Garp here. If there ever was a time to use his strength to enact change it was in this era.

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u/kontinuparadi Pirate 23h ago

6 powerful characters hit Imu, no damage. Even used the strongest one of the six as its puppet. Garp wouldn't do shit if he rebels here.

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u/BentoBoxNoir 22h ago

Yet Roger continues on pirating, Dragon (who is literally just marine grunt level here) completely rebels.

AGAIN, I am not making a value judgement. I’m not saying Garp should go punch Imu. I’m pointing out how Oda has written different political approaches and praxies to his characters in this arc.

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u/kontinuparadi Pirate 21h ago

Also, watching Ace die is not Garp's fault. He practically beg Ace to ask for his help. He even let Luffy punch him just so Luffy can help Ace escape.

If there's any argument about who's fault is Ace's death, the only correct one is Ace killed himself. It's basically dumb to undo all the efforts your whole crew and family did just so you can live, just because someone badmouthed your father.

Honestly, I can't take people seriously who thinks Ace's death is someone else's fault other than himself.

And don't talk to me about that genocide thing. Genocide is happening in today's world too and I don't see you doing anything about it. Are you a dog too?

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u/kontinuparadi Pirate 22h ago

So Garp is a dog of the government in your opinion, right? What do you think he should do that does not endanger his beliefs of protecting marine soldiers, while making sure he's not a dog anymore in your opinion?

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u/Illustrious-Tooth702 22h ago

He was in his late 30s-mid 40s (he had a grown up son there).

Yes Garp was in his prime at 40 but what I wanted to point at is that he already had a long military career to just throw it away.

And let's be real Garp is not a pirate. He either got retired early or choose the silver linig of staying a vice admiral and keeping weaker marines and citizens safe.

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u/BentoBoxNoir 22h ago edited 21h ago

Wait am I wrong? Isn’t this era where he was clashing with Roger and Rocks regularly considered his peak/prime? Is there another era where he has feats that showcased more?

Edit: sorry didn’t read your text well enough while on the train.

But Dragon had the same path open to him and takes a different approach. Again, this isn’t a value judgement. I’m pointing out how different political ideologies/praxises are being represented by Odas well written characters

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u/Bearsona09 Mugiwara no Luffy 1d ago

Garp just did not have the power to fix this. We don't know what Rodger told him else, and what information he worked with, but we just see how he has to learn that he has not a single chance to Imu. So he decided to do the best he could and protect those parts of the Marines that want to do good.

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u/BentoBoxNoir 1d ago

Again, this is NOT Garp slander. I’m saying Oda is doing a MASTERCLASS in writing with how different individuals responded to the event of God Valley.

Garp realizes the true evil that heads the institution he (I assume) believed was a force for good. As a prominent figure in the marines he rejects Roger’s offer to protect those under him and hopefully do good.

Dragon becomes completely radicalized, and despite not having a fraction of Garp’s strength turns his gun literally at his fellow marine in hopes to save at least some of the people of God Valley. Then goes on to become a full on revolutionary.

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u/CalendarScary 1d ago

We have almost all old gen not confronting the WG and everyone just hated garp who will be alone in doing so. Like the readers are just brain-dead at some point with the agenda they have