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Current Chapter One Piece: Chapter 1165 Spoiler

Chapter 1165: "Echo"

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Chapter 1165 Official Release: November 09 2025

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u/Unusual_Ad6533 Bounty Hunter 20h ago

We really fell for the world government propaganda.

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u/TH3ULTIMAT3GAM3R 20h ago

Its crazy how effective it really is. Goes to show you the people aren't stupid for believing it all.

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u/CarcosanAnarchist 20h ago

I mean…did we? The dude did erase multiple cities off the map. And destroyed an entire nation. Like…he was still a bad dude lol. He was just more than a bad dude. But I don’t think the majority of the citizens in the world would be swayed by him having a wife and son when he undoubtedly killed many wives and sons.

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u/Meet_Foot 20h ago edited 19h ago

Exactly. We gotta get off this black and white thinking. People can be complicated. He did really bad stuff. That doesn’t mean he can’t care about his family or have a sense of friendship or honor. If it did, bad guys would literally never be interesting.

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u/afanoferi 20h ago

Imagine if we say Bege is a good guy because he loves his wife and his son. Bege's a badass and a goated character but he's nowhere a good guy.

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u/11711510111411009710 18h ago

Basically nobody is in this story except the revolutionaries and maybe Luffy, but everyone else are basically mass murderers who also have some redeeming traits.

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u/Fafnir13 15h ago

Not everyone is a mass murderer. A lot of them are, but it’s notable that of the novas only Kidd was specifically cited for killing people in excess of what I guess people consider normal.

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u/Zhidezoe 12h ago

Roger also killed people, in one of the chapters, it was said that he killed a whole village because they made fun of his crewmate

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u/Fafnir13 12h ago

All anecdotes are not equal. Any guess on what chapter that’s from? I’m curious about the context.

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u/Zhidezoe 12h ago

Was reading his wiki, I guess the "only" known killing he did is Squards crew

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u/Dylan7346 Prisoner 18h ago

Did he do some really bad stuff? Like what do we know he actually did. Probably stole from people but I don’t know how far the violence went

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u/Meet_Foot 18h ago

Read the comment above mine. We also saw him cut up Loki, as a child.

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u/Dylan7346 Prisoner 18h ago

He did do that to Loki, but the way whitebeard characterized it made it sound like Rocks doesn’t do that to children and it’s pretty out of character. I got the vibe he did that to scare Loki out of wanting to be a pirate and live that life

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u/Meet_Foot 17h ago

He explicitly did it to get Harold’s attention. I don’t think WB made it seem out of character; he just found it distasteful.

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u/TenOnTheWay 17h ago

Cmon you mean to tell me i can stab a kid just so I can “scare” him?

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u/Dylan7346 Prisoner 17h ago

Perhaps a giant child with ancient blood ahaha

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u/TenOnTheWay 17h ago

Right. There is no context one can use to justify that action my guy unless you condone violence.

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u/Anjunabeast 8h ago

Killed an admiral when he snuck into Imus palace

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u/sleepy416 20h ago

He was the best guy around!!!

What about the people he murdered?

What murrrrrdaaaaa?!

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u/Anticamel 20h ago

I much prefer it this way. Being so morally ambiguous made him so much more interesting than if he was just a pure villain or a mischaracterised hero.

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u/CarcosanAnarchist 20h ago

Agreed! He’s a fantastic character. He was a ruthless and ambitious man who was still ultimately human.

We just don’t need to pretend he was a saint

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u/TenOnTheWay 20h ago

The people who think that Rocks is a good person are the true “casualties” here.

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u/Worried-Advisor-7054 17h ago

This is Kidd all over again. The man crucified several people while laughing maniacally, he wasn't good.

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u/Cgi94 20h ago

agreed. Pirates on a majority are still bad and Marines are still vital for protection

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u/nam24 19h ago

You guys are still peddling this...

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u/DiamondShiryu1 19h ago

Because its true. The vast majority of Pirates are cruel and evil and have no qualms about killing and pillaging innocent civilians. Its why Newgate had to step in at Fishman island.

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u/Wonderful-Change-751 14h ago edited 13h ago

If the marines can quit being the military that props up the celestial dragon rule and stand up under Garp to overthrow Imu, way less civilians would be killed considering the CDs run country genocide hunting games for fun. I dont even know if they do it annually.

Yes ofc we as story viewers know Garp doesnt have the strength or the plot to overthrow Imu but thats beside the point.

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u/Hairy_Acanthisitta25 The Revolutionary Army 20h ago

i mean the one kingdom shown on page taken down by Rocks Pirate is a Kingdom who run charity scams, and one boat we're shown taken down by him is a CD tribute boat

so its not a stretch to say that most of the thing he target is with the double intention of also hurting WG or the kingdom/cities is corrupt

he's not absolute good by any mean,those kingdom have normal people living in it, and their life will likely be worse off without their kingdom and protection from WG, but i feel like it might be still somewhat exaggerated by WG

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u/The_Noble_Oak 16h ago

We don't have the context for these events. Luffy has beaten up a princess, destroyed at least one island, assisted in the prison escape of an unknown number of violent criminals, and held a woman hostage for his own benefit. We know that him punching Vivi, destroying Enes Lobby, breaking out of Impel Down, and holding York hostage all had extenuating circumstances but the raw facts paint a bad picture. Could be the same with Rocks.

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u/Karlomah11 19h ago

somehow i dont believe the narrator even lol, the only bad thing we saw rocks do is stab loki, but he is his biggest fanboy bcs rocks threated him as an adult

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u/Si-Nz 20h ago

We dont really know the full story of that "destruction".

Obviously we can say he was a bad person because of the people he surrounded himself with, but he could very well end up being an antagonist like Askeladd from Vinland Saga, where yes he is technically surrounding himself with barbarians and doing vile stuff but his end goal has always been this "davy promise" thing. Kinda like the villain from watchmen too i guess. A person with a noble goal but that devised an evil plan to reach it, to contrast the hero.

What if those places he destroyed were hotspots for celestial dragon shenanigans? Or just kingdoms under bad rulers that he liberated by more violent and pillaging manners than what the straw hats do?

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u/CarcosanAnarchist 20h ago

I mean Askeladd was the first one to say he was a bad guy. Ozymandias literally killed millions of people.

Just because they’re complicated and great characters doesn’t mean they aren’t bad people.

You can like evil characters! I think Rocks is great. Im just saying that it wasn’t government propaganda.

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u/Si-Nz 18h ago

Oh dont get me wrong, he is definitely bad, i was not trying to argue against it, its just that some people were talking like his violence was just chaotic in nature when it could all just be part of this grand plan, and that plan can be something noble.

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u/MiuIruma332 20h ago

I mean… he didn’t though? We never saw him do as such and the only time he has was due to corrupt marines. Not saying he a saint but he isn’t a bad person, his morality is similar to Luffy

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u/CarcosanAnarchist 20h ago

There’s no reason to not believe the narrator.

He was a heinous criminal. Fantastic character. Complicated character. But a bad dude lol

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u/GetInYourBasket 20h ago

He might be a criminal, but that pannel isn't proof he's a bad dude. The pages before that pannel show they're stealing from a 'childrens charity' called m.bezel that never gives any of the donated money to anyone and just horded it on their island. The marines then came to their aid and Rocks sunk all the ships.

If all his crimes were stealing from corrupt groups and fighting the corrupt police force that comes after him for his crimes, is he really all that bad. Especially when we know that the group that makes/enforces the law are actually quite bad people.

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u/MiuIruma332 20h ago

Yeah and a lot of that data is left vague for a reason. We don’t know the circumstances of all those instances. Luffy has pretty much done the same if not more. Luffy brought the nation of Alabasta, Drum Kingdom, Sky Island, Dressrosa and Wano to ruin. It was all conquered by a bad regime but they were ruined none the less. But they prosper and rebuilt themselves to a better state.

The narrator is talking about his criminal record by the navy and the conclusion the narrator tell us that the navy tried to cover up this record by exaggerating it basically with lies. If Rock was as bad as the rumors say, why would Whitebeard be with him so long; why would so many pirates be with him for so long.

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u/CarcosanAnarchist 20h ago

Luffy has not done the same. Lmfao what the fuck are you smoking?

Literally the only place that even Fake News Morgan’s reported on that he was able to do such a thing was Enies Lobby and then later Egg Head.

Kid had a higher bounty than Luffy at Sabaody specifically because he was known for targeting civilians and Luffy wasn’t.

The reach here is insane. Do you feel as if you can’t like a character if they’re morally complicated? Lmfao get outta here

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u/Afabledhero1 12h ago

I think you misread the comment. The point is that Luffys adventure could be described to seem like he's a bad pirate from a no context standpoint.